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San Marino SAN MARINO 2024 - Megara - 11:11
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BernadetteCydonia
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Well, you could totally argue this is the biggest shock of the season, but that wouldn't be nearly enough as shocking as when Loreen lost her Andra Chansen duel in 2017 and Dotter losing in 2020 in comparison... the only thing that could make it worse might be Baby Lasagna losing tonight? which, if the Dora NF points translation system is not based on the ESC system, is far from happening, but that doesn't mean we can't dread.
No but for real, my mouth was open at that outcome. I didn't even know what to say lmao. Let me just say - the whole national final experience here is an emotional rollercoaster because you're first stuck with the juries in the semifinals picking 8in126, and to get there they cut out a lot of songs with potential, then the Second Chance ends up not being half as bad but they still end up making a lot of #Choices in it, and when it all comes together for a final, with all those newcomers facing the big acts - there's ought to be some bewilderment. And in the end of it all, I'm feeling both pissed and happy - pissed for the aforementioned rollercoaster (this final NEEDED MORE FUN and not just from Loredana and the failed attempt of fun with the nostalgia-bait-with-Corona act, THE NEWCOMER SEMIS QUALIFIERS NEEDED TO BE MORE FUN), happy for Megara because I'm probably one of the rare few who prefers "11:11" to "Pazza" and by a LOT. (Also rare at prefering "11:11" to "Arcadia" I guess.)
San Marino could've done one funny (sent two Sanremo songs in one edition and allowed someone to come for their Swedish ex), instead they did another funny (reverse Nebulossa and a song that's neither in Spanish nor in English, apart from the live version having a chorus in Italian because pandering). Nonetheless they still did a funny. Sending La Rua would've also did a funny (third Dardust song in one Eurovision - man's would get lucky to even have one of his songs win Sanremo).
No but for real, my mouth was open at that outcome. I didn't even know what to say lmao. Let me just say - the whole national final experience here is an emotional rollercoaster because you're first stuck with the juries in the semifinals picking 8in126, and to get there they cut out a lot of songs with potential, then the Second Chance ends up not being half as bad but they still end up making a lot of #Choices in it, and when it all comes together for a final, with all those newcomers facing the big acts - there's ought to be some bewilderment. And in the end of it all, I'm feeling both pissed and happy - pissed for the aforementioned rollercoaster (this final NEEDED MORE FUN and not just from Loredana and the failed attempt of fun with the nostalgia-bait-with-Corona act, THE NEWCOMER SEMIS QUALIFIERS NEEDED TO BE MORE FUN), happy for Megara because I'm probably one of the rare few who prefers "11:11" to "Pazza" and by a LOT. (Also rare at prefering "11:11" to "Arcadia" I guess.)
San Marino could've done one funny (sent two Sanremo songs in one edition and allowed someone to come for their Swedish ex), instead they did another funny (reverse Nebulossa and a song that's neither in Spanish nor in English, apart from the live version having a chorus in Italian because pandering). Nonetheless they still did a funny. Sending La Rua would've also did a funny (third Dardust song in one Eurovision - man's would get lucky to even have one of his songs win Sanremo).
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I'm not surprised by Loredana's defeat and I believe that she thought she would win but was disconnected from reality. "Pazza" sounds good in the studio version but loses live, Loredana is a world-famous singer but does not have a fandom capable of supporting her outside Italian borders. All ingredients for a humiliation she didn't deserve. When I saw Megara on stage I was sure of their victory. They have an energetic song, a crazy staging, there is potential, there is an emerging group with the desire to establish itself on the European scene, there is youth. They are right and clearly won the San Marino internal selection. On La Rua it was clear that they would reach the podium thanks to their friendship with Durdust.
Maybe Megara, as you say Nudiecrudi, will lose the 12 Italian points but compared to Loredana they gain many more fans from other countries. Better to never have 12 points but and not get 0 rather than the opposite. For me Megara will not be "enemies" of the Estonian group but they could, if the title predicts the genre, step on Austria's toes.
Maybe Megara, as you say Nudiecrudi, will lose the 12 Italian points but compared to Loredana they gain many more fans from other countries. Better to never have 12 points but and not get 0 rather than the opposite. For me Megara will not be "enemies" of the Estonian group but they could, if the title predicts the genre, step on Austria's toes.
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I listened to the live Version first, and liked it, but also thought it was too messy and hard to find a melody in. But then I listened to the Studio cut, and I love it! Maybe the sound at the show just really did the song a disservice, and then this should sound way better in May. Also, it's Megara, so I'm happily and willingly biased. A 
for now with actual potential for a higher rating if the next live is better. I really, really hope they Q and get to be in the final.
for now with actual potential for a higher rating if the next live is better. I really, really hope they Q and get to be in the final.
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1+1+1+1 = 4 is pretty much the total amount of points this will get.
I have to this :x there's not a single moment that I can get myself to like, which is a shame considering Arcadia was good.
This is the 3rd* time in a row that UVPSM chooses an absolute mess. I don't know if the jury or the criteria has to be revamped or this is just the type of songs that they get (NF rejects/flops) but a change must be made.
* I have to clarify that Stripper was robbed and had a great performance in eurovision
this :x there's not a single moment that I can get myself to like, which is a shame considering Arcadia was good.This is the 3rd* time in a row that UVPSM chooses an absolute mess. I don't know if the jury or the criteria has to be revamped or this is just the type of songs that they get (NF rejects/flops) but a change must be made.
* I have to clarify that Stripper was robbed and had a great performance in eurovision
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Now that Una Voce Per San Marino is over I'd like to share some of my thoughts.
I hope - maybe in vain - that Loredana's failed attempt to get a ticket to ESC for self-promotion will teach relevant names (at least those from Italy) to keep away from this NF and to stop using it as a shortcut for some hasty attempt at an international debut.
Achille Lauro's attempt was on the same level of desperate in 2022. As a Eurovision participant for a smaller state, he could have at least made the effort of reaching out to the ESC fanbase - like some previous San Marino representatives did before him, for example by attending pre-parties - instead of using Eurovision as a mere tool for personal promotion, thinking he would have been voted because "look at me, I'm famous in Italy" and because his staging was provocative, which might work for impressing the (aging) Sanremo audience, but not the ESC one. I fear Loredana would have done the same by just relying on her own national fame, just to attract the spotlight on herself for being the ex-wife of a Swedish famous person with the contest being held in Sweden. I find this attitude a bit off-putting in the context of ESC, regardless of how campy Eurovision can be.
I also find unfair that they bent the rules to allow a song from another NF to participate, it's a parasitic way to get exposure; Sanremo (and other NFs) should have a contract clause that forbids entering other competitions with the same entry. I think Megara won fair and square, regardless of what I think about their song. As for Pazza, for me it's a song with good lyrics, an anthem about self-esteem that sums up Loredana's attitude towards life and her quirky/rebel persona, but we need to be coherent: if, for example, Nebulossa is criticised for a weak live performance, then Loredana has to be criticised for the same flaws (I put them in comparison because of their age and songs messages). I see too much pandering by the Italian press towards these "national icons", as if anything that they dish out was quality, like it happened in Sanremo. Quite frankly this year I would have given other songs the Sanremo Critics' Award Loredana won, but the audience's protests for her 4th place back in 2019 drove the juries to this decision, I think.
As for the NF, I understand that San Marino has small resources to put up a show, so we can't expect much. They also use the selection to finance their ESC participation with subscription fees from the artists if I remember correctly. But why not making UVPSM a show for newcoming artists only? I've read that some of their entries were better than established names' ones, and I watched a couple of decent performances by singers I had never heard of. This recalls what I said above, sometimes new artists put more effort (in terms of lyrics, music, overall performance) than established ones, because they have to prove something, while the big names often show up with a poor entry thinking they can rely on their past glory (I've seen/heard many in Sanremo already). One might say that established artists have more resources - and therefore more reliability - to fund their ESC participation by themselves, since San Marino can't fund it, and I can't argue with that.
Let me know if you agree/disagree, if you managed to read all this.
I hope - maybe in vain - that Loredana's failed attempt to get a ticket to ESC for self-promotion will teach relevant names (at least those from Italy) to keep away from this NF and to stop using it as a shortcut for some hasty attempt at an international debut.
Achille Lauro's attempt was on the same level of desperate in 2022. As a Eurovision participant for a smaller state, he could have at least made the effort of reaching out to the ESC fanbase - like some previous San Marino representatives did before him, for example by attending pre-parties - instead of using Eurovision as a mere tool for personal promotion, thinking he would have been voted because "look at me, I'm famous in Italy" and because his staging was provocative, which might work for impressing the (aging) Sanremo audience, but not the ESC one. I fear Loredana would have done the same by just relying on her own national fame, just to attract the spotlight on herself for being the ex-wife of a Swedish famous person with the contest being held in Sweden. I find this attitude a bit off-putting in the context of ESC, regardless of how campy Eurovision can be.
I also find unfair that they bent the rules to allow a song from another NF to participate, it's a parasitic way to get exposure; Sanremo (and other NFs) should have a contract clause that forbids entering other competitions with the same entry. I think Megara won fair and square, regardless of what I think about their song. As for Pazza, for me it's a song with good lyrics, an anthem about self-esteem that sums up Loredana's attitude towards life and her quirky/rebel persona, but we need to be coherent: if, for example, Nebulossa is criticised for a weak live performance, then Loredana has to be criticised for the same flaws (I put them in comparison because of their age and songs messages). I see too much pandering by the Italian press towards these "national icons", as if anything that they dish out was quality, like it happened in Sanremo. Quite frankly this year I would have given other songs the Sanremo Critics' Award Loredana won, but the audience's protests for her 4th place back in 2019 drove the juries to this decision, I think.
As for the NF, I understand that San Marino has small resources to put up a show, so we can't expect much. They also use the selection to finance their ESC participation with subscription fees from the artists if I remember correctly. But why not making UVPSM a show for newcoming artists only? I've read that some of their entries were better than established names' ones, and I watched a couple of decent performances by singers I had never heard of. This recalls what I said above, sometimes new artists put more effort (in terms of lyrics, music, overall performance) than established ones, because they have to prove something, while the big names often show up with a poor entry thinking they can rely on their past glory (I've seen/heard many in Sanremo already). One might say that established artists have more resources - and therefore more reliability - to fund their ESC participation by themselves, since San Marino can't fund it, and I can't argue with that.
Let me know if you agree/disagree, if you managed to read all this.
Decayingbooks
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I rewatched the nf performance and I'm starting to see a lot of potential regarding the staging, they did had some ideas that sadly SMRTV didn't had the ability to properly produce.
The song isn't as catchy as Arcadia, but I have no doubt that the singer will be able to sell it live.
So a from me, I hope San Marino makes it to the final this year.
The song isn't as catchy as Arcadia, but I have no doubt that the singer will be able to sell it live.
So a
from me, I hope San Marino makes it to the final this year.
I actually kinda enjoy the studio version? Didn't expect that at all based on the live performance (at San Marino in general as I only liked their 2013 and 2021 entries), but in all honesty it's less bland than most of the 2024 entries that are revealed already imo.
Live performance is bad and probably won't survive the semi but hey
Live performance is bad and probably won't survive the semi but hey
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Sorry nope. for the effort. I can't bear to give a .
for the effort. I can't bear to give a .
Achille Lauro flopped because the song was tuneless, generic rock and the performance was a complete mess where you couldn't even see what was happening on stage most of the time. Piqued Jacks were even more generic, and creepy. It's probably one of the few entries that ever managed to be both.
Agree with you about songs competing for several countries. EBU could easily add a rule against this, it would affect so few anyway. Neither songs or artists should be allowed to appear in more than one selection in the same year.
San Marino should strive to break their ties with Italy in the contest. If they don't have enough artists of their own, or resources behind them, there's no reason they HAVE to be from Italy, they should reach to other countries instead. All their best results have been with non-Italian artists anyway!
As for the chosen entry.... it comes off as a blend of Fröken Snusk and Scarlet's entries in Melodifestivalen. Performance seems amateurish, which seems to be the norm for the San Marino NF performances, so maybe they can polish it a lot, but i'd say overall it's in the middle for me, not the worst this year. Final might be possible with a greatly improved performance, but expect a very low placemet there.
Agree with you about songs competing for several countries. EBU could easily add a rule against this, it would affect so few anyway. Neither songs or artists should be allowed to appear in more than one selection in the same year.
San Marino should strive to break their ties with Italy in the contest. If they don't have enough artists of their own, or resources behind them, there's no reason they HAVE to be from Italy, they should reach to other countries instead. All their best results have been with non-Italian artists anyway!
As for the chosen entry.... it comes off as a blend of Fröken Snusk and Scarlet's entries in Melodifestivalen. Performance seems amateurish, which seems to be the norm for the San Marino NF performances, so maybe they can polish it a lot, but i'd say overall it's in the middle for me, not the worst this year. Final might be possible with a greatly improved performance, but expect a very low placemet there.
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How is it possible for San Marino to completely distance itself from Italy if its broadcaster, established in August 1991, has a share capital subscribed by ERAS (San Marino Radio Broadcasting Authority) and RAI at 50% each?
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Probably 4 from Spain and that's all
I wasn't a fan of Arcadia, and I'm not too bothered by this either. I kinda love the fact Loredana was invited, and she didn't even win it in the end. I feel kinda bad for her, and that she wont get to live her dream of annoying her ex-husband. 11:11 isn't bad, it has some energy but overall it feels kind of messy and i'm not really here for it.
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Senhit is Italian and Adrenalina was their second best result
For the song of this year, 5 points for me