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Russia RUSSIA 2019 - Sergey Lazarev - Scream
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I am not sure what Sweden has to do with this topic?
Why is this always some odd way of argument in this forum; "you don't like the entry I like, I will randomly comment on your country's entry as some sort of odd defense-mechanism"
I don't mean it's totally this case with you since you seem to also like the Swedish entry but it just doesn't make much sense to me...I mean, let's discuss the Swedish entry in the right thread?
Anyways, I see that this is finally going down the odds, not that it matter that much in the end but maybe people just start to see it for what it is finally...
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Russian entry is so overhyped this year.
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Russia is clearly out of contention imho. Except for Moldova, Azerbaijan and Armenia, juries will ignore it. The song is very dated with the typical over the top staging. But televotes won't come easy neither like they did in 2016. There will be 100+ points for sure, mostly from neighbours but other countries deliver better.
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Because it‘s the song I consider „dated“ the most this year. It happens to be accidentally Sweden. I would have written exactly this also to any other user who is not a Swede.
I was looking for a song to compare. This time it had nothing to do with the country but with the song.
Ezio
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Sweden does not sound dated at all.
For you.
That don´t have to be negative, a "dated" song got 5th place in the televote last year (I liked that but you can´t say that it was modern)
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Being considered dated is a problem for the jury vote, not the televote.
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It's not trashy like his first Eurovision entry but it's a rather boring ballad. If any other country sent this, it would be doing much worse in the odds. I'm pleased that Russia decided to participate with a normal song this year instead of opting for a complete train wreck like last year or one of their infamous peace songs. 3 points.
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Meaning? Juries vote for dated or televoters?
Ezio
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Televoters . Sergey already came up with a 90's dance pop in 2016 and fell short by a lot due to the juries. Scream sounds even more rusty.
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Juries are far more dated in their taste than televoters, if anything this is more what juries would go for than televoters... you forgot though that alot of Russian televotes are diaspora votes and they are the biggest diaspora vote benefitter of all countries which is why they can get away with bland dated "peace" ballads and even nearly qualifying, based on public votes alone, with such a trainwreck as last year... just like Turkey in the 00's, Russia doesn't even have to try to send something remotely good in order to collect at least enough televotes to push them top. 10 in televotes, they almost have guaranteed votes regardless.
2016 was more appealing though generally speaking, while being pompous, dated and clichéd Schlager-Euro-Pop, it at least was somewhat catchy and fit the context, this however is just pompous, dated and clichéd but bland even when it tries to be overly theatrical... also being a ballad it should evoke some feeling but it's completely souless and formulaic, so the odds is even worse than with an uptempo song in the same style...
But yeah, Russia will collect enough diaspora votes to make it into the top. 10 I'm afraid... even if this is even more "rusty" than 2016...
On a side-note, 90's dance Pop can be done perfectly fine with a modern touch and cool tongue-in-cheek retro flashback feeling to it, you give their 2016 entry way too much credit with that comparison as it had none of that...
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How exactly did I forget that Russia gets tons of diaspora votes? My point already was that Russia gets more televotes than jury votes.
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Well, maybe it was the way you phrased your comment... I read it as "televoters have a higher tendency to vote for dated songs than juries"... I didn't read in your comment that it was connected to diaspora voters...
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I don't mind if this can be considered outdated or not, You can see a song there and imo, a well built one, Nothing to 
but it's lovely. Actually I wouldn't mind about having more outdated stuff, if it meant we actually had songs in the contest.
but it's lovely. Actually I wouldn't mind about having more outdated stuff, if it meant we actually had songs in the contest. 
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I don't mind if this can be considered outdated or not, You can see a song there and imo, a well built one, Nothing to
Such a Portuguese approach!
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Such a Portuguese approach!
I don't know what you mean by Portuguese approach, when everything's changing?
Even RTP. But it's my own approach. That's for sure. But well, I'm much older than the average here, so I'm sure that it's easily understood why I think and feel that way. I go back to the nineties and every year was an excitement. Than came the ESC post-depression. As you can imagine, I haven't felt that post-depression for many years... 
2 But that's just me I guess. I keep obviously loving esc, but it's not the same anymore, I'm afraid.