Russia RUSSIA 2016 - Sergey Lazarev - You Are The Only One

[Chorizo]

No, being tolerant is being tolerant, it doesn't mean forcing people who don't think like you to adopt your beliefs. Eurovision is supposedly about music, not about what society should be or think in a country. Russia has indeed spread propaganda through some of their recent entries, but organisers have basically done the same exact thing with the What If introduction in Austria, the rainbow flags appearing during Polina's performance and so on...

Tolerance doesn't stigmatize people, and I've seen none of that among those so-called pro-LGBT tolerant people.

Technically speaking, not tolerating intolerance means that you are intolerant yourself but if you do tolerate intolerance, then intolerance has won. Therefore, I'm in favor of only tolerating those that are tolerant themselves. That's not 100% tolerant, of course, but I think it is the wiser approach. If the tolerance isn't mutual, why would I tolerate another person? I'm not willing to tolerate someone who doesn't tolerate me as well. Tolerating everything isn't better than intolerance, in my opinion.

Seriously Chorizo, I can't answer your other post properly because you are mixing everything up, here are some points I wanted to express though:

-It's not because a country spread propaganda once or twice that everyone should "attack" it forever, is it? Belarus also did it, so what? a whole country does not deserve to be stigmatized because of that imo.

The political problems with Russia that were the reason for booing in 2014 persist. If these issues were settled, the debate and booing could stop, of course. I'm not saying that a country should be targeted forever but I think it's fine, if it's about current issues.

-You support the booing, well... I hope you're aware that that's disrespectful and that it won't change anything to both the results and the situation in Russia. Nothing justifies that, and I didn't know everyone supported Putin blindly, thank you for enlighting me on that point.

I know that booing is disrespectful. That's why I support it. Russia doesn't deserve any respect. Just because nothing changes in Russia doesn't mean that the audience shouldn't boo. What the booing achieves is that it angers the Russians. It is a punishment they deserve. They should not be able to wallow in their propaganda undisturbed. Their moment of glory should be tainted to show them that they cannot get away with what they do without any response. It's like going to a demo that in the end doesn't prompt the government to change its politics. If a demo is for a just and noble cause, it's good that there is one, even if the demo doesn't have any effect on what the government does.
Btw, I didn't say that everyone supported Putin but most do. At least the majority or he wouldn't be president anymore.

-Finally, you give your opinion about the Russian entry on the purely musical aspect. You don't like it and that's fine. But you can't blame Russia if the majority of viewers in Europe votes for them and makes them win this year You might have noticed that people didn't care that much last year, as Polina was their second favourite. And you shouldn't blame them either for the musical quality of next year in case they win because other countries simply have to do their thing instead of copying what is successful. Copycats should be blamed, yes.

The copycats are indeed something to fear. If Russia wins, next year will sound like Eurovision did ten years ago.

To sum up, I get that you can't stand Russia. Fair enough, I just find it sad that - being an ESC fan - you actually encourage this general bashing going on. I never said Russia was the land of carebears, but - apart from the government - Russian people aren't any different than other peoples of Europe in terms of values and beliefs and tolerance. A bunch of retarded blokes does not equal a whole nation tbh.

I'll end that here because yes, it's truly annoying to tackle politics politics politics only in this thread :?

Okay, we can end the topic. I just stand for what I think is right. I can understand that other people think differently about this topic and of course I am okay with you having a different opinion. You have your reasons just like I have my reasons. I can see that there are also valid arguments for not booing and keeping politics out. Things aren't just black and white. I think both our opinions have their respective merits.

 

[nikolay_BG]

Chorizo, you make me sad. So much hatred in your comments. Maybe if you used that energy for something productive, we could create something beautiful and could achieve a better future.

 

[Chorizo]

Chorizo, you make me sad. So much hatred in your comments. Maybe if you used that energy for something productive, we could create something beautiful and could achieve a better future.

I want a better future. That's why I want a country like France to win.

 

[nikolay_BG]

I want a better future. That's why I want a country like France to win.

No, you don't want France to win. You want Russia to lose. These are not the same things.

 

[Chorizo]

No, you don't want France to win. You want Russia to lose. These are not the same things.

France is one of my favorites this year and I think it would be a great winner, as I have stated in the French thread.

 

[LoveStormGuy]

My current opinion about Russian song:

What I like

-Sergey's vocals
-The start of the chorus
-The fact it's so catchy
-The fun beginning

What I dislike

-The cheesy lyrics & the cliche title
-The fact it feels like it's from 2007/2008/2009 (this is a big problem actually)
-It's overall lack of epicness (mostly it's an average pop song)
-If it wins would be quite forgettable

So, is the extravagant & epic performance going to be enough to hide all the flaws this song has?

 

[nikolay_BG]

To be honest there are only 2 songs this year that hooked me up from the first minute and they are the Bulgarian one and the Russian one.

 

[Uvaro]

i can't get over how cringey the lyrics are, even for eurovision standards.

 

[Evalngelion]

Sergey inspired his official video from this

 

[nikolay_BG]

Oh my Gosh, Sergey didn't invent 3D mapping. 1
Mans Zelmerlow didn't invent projecting too.

 

[Yoozek]

So he's bit of a blonde now! Or was that a poor lights fault

 

[Koori]

 

[Koori]

So Sergey climbs the actual LED wall, and he's just fallen off it. Oops

:?

 

[Smudy]

 

[AlekS]

So Sergey climbs the actual LED wall, and he's just fallen off it. Oops

The irony of having the same people from Ani Lorak's team.

On heels for f's sake!

Nevermind. I bet he's ok and everything will be normal in the semi.

 

[GermanBango]

I would pay real money to see him falling off that that LED wall xshifty #nohate

 

[Luki]

FLOP INCOMING!

 

[Sean]

Russia have won. Heading home as we speak

 

[AlekS]

Everything is okay in the 2nd try.

Wings on the screens. Sounds familiar.

Other than that it's what people have been expecting from him all this time. Outstanding visuals.

 

[Koori]

people are so nice and cute in their hate ^^