Russia RUSSIA 2016 - Sergey Lazarev - You Are The Only One

[A-lister]

How can you say if it had been another country than Australia with that act they wouldn't have done so well in the jury votes by a long way, then agree russia are lucky to make top 10 jury votes, who the hell should of made your top 10 jury votes?!

I'm not following you? These type of songs were never really that favored by the juries so my point was that before people make all these accusations about juries being anti-Russian etc. they should look at what the juries normally like

 

[blue00eyes]

Sorry but this is as good as "Heroes" and juries picked "Heroes" last year.
Just because "You are the only one" represents Russia it can't be chosen. It's better to let a victim win, it's more politically correct. I knew it's going to be Ukraine vs Russia at the end and it was obvious who's gonna win.

 

[A-lister]

Sorry but this is as good as "Heroes" and juries picked "Heroes" last year.
Just because "You are the only one" represents Russia it can't be chosen. It's better to let a victim win, it's more politically correct. I knew it's going to be Ukraine vs Russia at the end and it was obvious who's gonna win.

*yawn*

Obviously taste differs, but like argued before there's a big difference between Måns' entry and this style-wise. Yes, both were solo-male Pop songs with effectful stage shows and if you look at them shallowly it might be similar, but if you really listen to them and pay attention they are pretty different from eachother. The Russian entry was a dated Kirkorov Schlager-Pop wheres Måns' was a Pop song with some subtle country flavor and more in touch with contemporary music outside of ESC than the Russian entry was, hence why also Måns' entry became a radio cross-over in quite many countries wheres I doubt Sergey's entry will be played except for the markets usually playing Russian music.

Now whether a song gets radio adds or not outside of its market doesn't necessarily mean the song is better, that is obviously a matter of taste, and Sweden is also a bigger music exporter than Russia and naturally got more channels. But I'll take Eric Saade's entry as an example, which was more in the style of Sergey's entry rather than Måns', and that entry didn't live on after ESC like Måns' did, simply for the fact that it wasn't really cross-over material but more typical "ESC bubble" material.

 

[blue00eyes]

*yawn*

Obviously taste differs, but like argued before there's a big difference between Måns' entry and this style-wise. Yes, both were solo-male Pop songs with effectful stage shows, but the Russian entry was a dated Kirkorov Schlager-Pop wheres Måns' was a Pop song with some country adds and more in touch with contemporary music outside of ESC than the Russian entry was, hence why also Måns' entry became a radio cross-over hit in quite many countries where I doubt Sergey's entry will be played except for the markets usually playing Russian music.

And I doubt Jamala's "1944" will be a hit. Which is bad for Eurovision.

 

[A-lister]

And I doubt Jamala's "1944" will be a hit. Which is bad for Eurovision.

1944 for sure won't be a hit, in fact very few ESC songs become hits these days and I agree that it's bad for the credibility and brand of Eurovision as a force in music to be unable to produce any cross-over hits, but then again Eurovision's purpose shouldn't only be to produce hits, in many ways Eurovision was always unique on its own and presented a world of music being outside of the comfort zone for most typical standard "western" radio listeners. Unfortunately we see alot of desperate attempts of creating "hits" lately (hence why so many Swedish imports and safe English-Americanized Pop songs are picked), but often these attempts still sound dated and out-of-touch so it's hardly helping the "cause".

If we take a look at recent years, Måns was one of the few winners that had somewhat cross-over appeal (whether one liked the entry or not). Loreen is certainly the biggest Eurovision hit in decades, but even more different sounding entries with ethno motives like Ruslana's, Sertab's, Helena's and Rybak's became somewhat hits in more markets than the usual ESC winner of modern ESC tend to, probably because they provided something unique next to the average American radio song out there and still had that "hit" factor attached to them.

I guess it's hard to find a formula, but Schlager-Pop like Sergey's song was never really hits anywhere except for maybe Sweden and a few others... in fact it was always the type of genre that made outsiders kinda laugh at ESC.

 

[QwaarJet]

And I doubt Jamala's "1944" will be a hit. Which is bad for Eurovision.

Not all winner need to/should be a hit. Constant radio friendly winners won't help the contest either. We need diversity. This song offers it.

 

[Kode74]

I'm not following you? These type of songs were never really that favored by the juries so my point was that before people make all these accusations about juries being anti-Russian etc. they should look at what the juries normally like

Well. that wasn´t case this year. First of all, i have say that I´m stirctly against Russian politics. And I don´t even mind, if they are politically voted against. But that "voting against" was true this year. And jurys were gaming against also favourite(s). And this gaming increased cause that favourite was Russia. Not all "negative votes", came cause "it is Russia", they came also cause they were favourite. I compared Russian votes in final and semi final (in Exel). I noticed quite peculiar things. There were three jurys which "jumped" to my eyes. The were Sweden, Finland and Hungary. Worst was Hungary.

In semifinal they ranked Russia this way: Judge A4. B3, C5, D2. E5 Position in ranking 2.
In final they ranked Russia this way: Judge A12. B10, C21, D14. E13 Position in ranking 13.

They gave 10 points in semi-final, nothing in final. There were nothing like this in other juries votes, that voted for Russia in semi-final and final. This was intentional push down for Russia. That´s for sure. Why, I don´t know? Against favourite or cause it is Russia?

Then there were Sweden.

In semifinal they ranked Russia this way: Judge A2. B2, C3, D2. E2 Position in ranking 1.
In final they ranked Russia this way: Judge A7. B6, C8, D4. E8 Position in ranking 6.

Okay, this might have been done several reasons. They might forget to put their personal friends songs (Malta and Azerbaidzan) up enough in semi, and in final they remembered it (they did it this way). I though strongly believe, that they didn´t mind at all, that they also pushed down strong favourite, Russia. To favour for Sweden. I don´t believe that they negated Russia cause it is Russia.

And then there were my home country Finland.

In semifinal they ranked Russia this way: Judge A10. B5, C2, D11. E2 Position in ranking 5.
In final they ranked Russia this way: Judge A26. B10, C6, D18. E11 Position in ranking 14.

Judges A and E were bit odd, don´t you think so? I don´t know why they actually did this. Judge A (Jurek Reunamäki) said in interview that "Russias show was superb, but song wasn´t strong enoug to climb top ten". In interview he "forgot" to say that he ranked Russia last. I believe that he did´nt liked that favourite wins. He also knew that Sergey Lazarev is very popular in eastern Europe. Jurek produce songs for Antti Tuisku, which i could easily describe as "finnish Sergey Lazarev", this makes his actions even peculiar. I strongly believe that he hated idea that favourite would win, espesially cause this favourite comes from Russia. His interwiev is found here: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001180329.html

Also there was also other judges which changed their minds a lot for Russia. One in Austria 4. -> 21. Two in Armenia 4. -> 16., 4. -> 17. and one in Czech 6. -> 24. There was also atmosphere, in Finland and I believe also in other countries, that "hopefully Russia don´t win". And i believe that attitude affected in juries, a lot.

There was also San Marino jury. They gaved more points for russia in final (7) than semi-final (4). Were there money going somewhere or why this happened?

Other jury members or juries put their positions quite logically.

Of course juries were playing more than this. Australian jury didn´t gave any points for Russia, but neither did Russia for Australia. This was only look for those juries, which were in same semi-final as Russia was. It is obvious that Russia suffered a lot juries attitude, which came from "They are Russia." and even more from the idea "They are winning!". Of course many juries were against Russia from the beginning. Hungary, Sweden and Finland juries didn´t reminded that in semi-final

I´ve also looked fastly through Ukraine and Australian votes (semi-final and final). Some juries seem to also gaming. Support for Ukraine rised up (Denmark jury for sure), and there were also marks pushing down Australia.

If Sergey would have perfomed, let´s say as in Bulgarian colours, he would have won easily. Perhaps next year San Marinos perfomer is Sergey .

This year contest was politically (and gaming was big problem also) solved, and that can be seen in jury points. Nothing change this fact, liked or didn´t liked that.

 

[QwaarJet]

If Sergey would have perfomed, let´s say as in Bulgarian colours, he would have won easily. Perhaps next year San Marinos perfomer is Sergey .

This year contest was politically (and gaming was big problem also) solved, and that can be seen in jury points. Nothing change this fact, liked or didn´t liked that.

It's funny you say that, because I think if Poli was performing under the Russian banner, she would have won, since Russia has a much higher diaspora.

As for the political part, you are welcome to your opinion, but to say the contest was "solved politically" is merely an opinion, and not a fact. So please do not present it as such.

 

[Kode74]

It's funny you say that, because I think if Poli was performing under the Russian banner, she would have won, since Russia has a much higher diaspora.

As for the political part, you are welcome to your opinion, but to say the contest was "solved politically" is merely an opinion, and not a fact. So please do not present it as such.

Well. How do you explain Hungary jury votes (if you read what i wrote them)? Those were hugely different in final than semi (compared to other countries jury votes) Perhaps they all noticed something odd in Sergeys appearence, that other judges didn´t?

I have to correct myself a bit. I supposed to write that winner was solved cause of politics, not whole competition. And as i mentioned, there was a lot of gaming, it wasn´t all about politics. Ukraine did a great job, they pushed competition Ukraine vs. Russia competition. And took it home. A little slap to Russia, that ain´t bad .

This change of game was also seen in Ukraine and Russia jury ranking places. Sum of Ukraine places on semi-final was 99, in the final 94. Russias places was 88 -> 157. Of course this is not fully compareable, cause they were in different semis. But these are compared so that there is only those countries which voted Ukraine and Russia, both in semi and final.

This means that same jury members put Ukraine upwards, when comparing semi and final. Which is odd, cause there were much more countries in final. Rank is supposed to sink. I believe that this tells change in judges attitude. They became more aware of Ukraine vs. Russia situation, and took their side. There was a mood (overall in Europe) that Russia win is not a good thing. Judges went on that movement.

 

[hugh]

^
I actually found with some people that seeing Jamala's "1944" more than once, they actually started to like it more but with Sergey's YATOO, once they had seen it then it wasn't as exciting or interesting the second time. So maybe the juries were more similar to that way of thinking rather than just assuming it was political.

 

[Carian]

I have to agree here, I don't think the juries (knowing their taste by now) would have even ranked this top. 10 if it wasn't for the fact that it was a public favorite and they didn't want to look bad in the public eyes (as they've done in the past).

For me, Australia was totally outdated but noone seems to complain about that.

 

[Carian]

Sorry but this is as good as "Heroes" and juries picked "Heroes" last year.
Just because "You are the only one" represents Russia it can't be chosen. It's better to let a victim win, it's more politically correct. I knew it's going to be Ukraine vs Russia at the end and it was obvious who's gonna win.

Very well said! Before juries votes I was sure that Russia would win the televote, but after juries votes I also knew it would be impossible to catch up 200 points of difference. It was really interesting to see that two countries that bookies predicted to be the greatest challengers of Sergey's victory did so damn well with juries. For me, this whole jury voting was a joke.

 

[Carian]

*yawn*

Obviously taste differs, but like argued before there's a big difference between Måns' entry and this style-wise. Yes, both were solo-male Pop songs with effectful stage shows and if you look at them shallowly it might be similar, but if you really listen to them and pay attention they are pretty different from eachother. The Russian entry was a dated Kirkorov Schlager-Pop wheres Måns' was a Pop song with some subtle country flavor and more in touch with contemporary music outside of ESC than the Russian entry was, hence why also Måns' entry became a radio cross-over in quite many countries wheres I doubt Sergey's entry will be played except for the markets usually playing Russian music.

Now whether a song gets radio adds or not outside of its market doesn't necessarily mean the song is better, that is obviously a matter of taste, and Sweden is also a bigger music exporter than Russia and naturally got more channels. But I'll take Eric Saade's entry as an example, which was more in the style of Sergey's entry rather than Måns', and that entry didn't live on after ESC like Måns' did, simply for the fact that it wasn't really cross-over material but more typical "ESC bubble" material.

The biggest difference between Mans and Sergey - in my opinion - was that Mans was sued for his graphic projection, yet Sergey wasnt... Is there anything to add?

And one more thing: Slovenia is flooded with American, English (and Swedish) music production, but Sergey's song is still played. So, are you implying Slovenians have an outdated taste for music? Or that we belong to Russian music market? I don't know where you are getting those ideas, but okey, you know it better.

Should I add that I am yawning?

 

[Sammy]

Can I just ask a question: Why is it, that so many people here assume that an outdated song automatically is a bad one and a contemporary one automatically a good one?

 

[Vexen]

Can I just ask a question: Why is it, that so many people here assume that an outdated song automatically is a bad one and a contemporary one automatically a good one?

It's more of an explanation about why it was ranked lower by the jury than by the televote, because people are complaining about how 'unfair' was the professional jury.

 

[crazymonster]

After the big final of Eurovision, Sergey and his entry are most watched in Russia Top 50. View full music chart here.

 

[Sammy]

It's more of an explanation about why it was ranked lower by the jury than by the televote, because people are complaining about how 'unfair' was the professional jury.

my question was rather rhetorical

 

[Koori]

 

[Carian]

my question was rather rhetorical

A very good rhetorical question You know, we say here, in every joke there is a grain of truth

 

[Preuss]

2:36 - Sergey was in the voice of Ukraine two years ago?!