Romania ROMANIA 2019 - Ester Peony - On a Sunday

[Daybreak]

I know I'm not a mod, but isn't there a thread in the political forum for general discussions on gay marriage/homophobia that don't have anything to do with the Romanian selection? O-IO

 

[pastablanche]

oh and I've said this before but I'll repeat myself since a lot of you are simply choosing to ignore what I said. William and Deban were the ones DEFENDING Jacques Houdek when the fanbase came after his ass. And you still think that they'd defend a grown man but "bully" a 16 year old girl.

 

[mauve]

Don't want to sound like a preacher, but the discussion is degenerating here … Discussing is okay, but sometimes it's getting too personal here and we should just stop with this bullying.

 

[Vondenburg]

To get to the important point:

So who do theese fools from wiwibloggs think they are when they bully a Romanian girl?

You can certainly show me the article or tweet where William or Deban said, that they don't wanted Laura to win, because of homophobic, right?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Anywho, Laura’s song is JESC appropriate and nothing else. Wiwiblogs are two guys whose made a name for themselves by being opinionated, they haven’t bullied anyone and even if they did it wouldn’t be even remotely new in the Eurovision realm.

Also: who is going to stand up for the poor heterosexual?

 

[mauve]

Anywho, Laura’s song is JESC appropriate and nothing else. Wiwiblogs are two guys whose made a name for themselves by being opinionated, they haven’t bullied anyone and even if they did it wouldn’t be even remotely new in the Eurovision realm.

Also: who is going to stand up for the poor heterosexual?

You are right: they are in the minority after all.

 

[Ezio]

To get to the important point:

You can certainly show me the article or tweet where William or Deban said, that they don't wanted Laura to win, because of homophobic, right?

You can certainly watch their reaction video to the Romanian NF songs for yourself.

 

[Leydan]

Bullying or not, strategic voting or not, their position in expert musical juries has always been one huge no to me and something I've been vocal about for years. They have No real musical expertise, not compared to someone who's been in the industry for years. To the Romanians, or Norweigans, or Finnish or whoever else where they've been jury present they're total no names so it would be better to have someone who knows music better. Literally all they are, are glorified esc fans like all of you and I. Just because they have a website doesn't make them anymore knowledgable or entitled. I think I'll set up a website so I can be on a jury next year if it's that easy.

 

[Mrm]

Okay, I allow you 4 more pages to have more pages then French thread and then STOP!

 

[DenizESC]

I don't remember who said it but the single best comment here was for me very clear:

The jury/televote system were obvious since a long time, so y'all should have complained before the results show and not now that the winner is not who you desired it to be.

Simple! Don't think its weird they changed their votes in the finale at all but yes it's weird they got double as much say as the Romanian public... Ester now WON fairly and we should stop this drama.

If you want to talk about homophobia or homophobia phobia (apparently it exists) then get your ass to the politics section.

Bye!

 

[Sammy]

Because you want to drag it onto a personal level and I don't let you have it. You tried before and I ignored it so I have to make it clear.

I didn't think a rhetorical question could be regarded as offensive or personal, but if you feel like that, I'm sorry. There was no personal attack intended.

So the argument is:
You state (if I understand you correctly) that Lauras involvement in the campaign against gay marriage is on the same level (and therefore not homophobic) as gays who reject marriage as a concept (because of multiple reasons, which we don't discuss in detail here).

I say, you're wrong because the two cases are not comparable. The first case is a political action to deny in general the right and possibility to marry, the second one is a personal decision to take an existing right or not to do so. Therefor the first case is in fact a discriminatory action, the second one isn't, because the latter one only affects yourself and has no effect whatsoever on anyone else. Since the first one is targeted specifically against gays as a group it fits the definition of homophobic, whereas the second one is not targeted against anyone let alone a specific group and hence is not - as you also say - homophobic.

 

[Vondenburg]

You can certainly watch their reaction video to the Romanian NF songs for yourself.

Well. As I said here in the thread twice: I myself thought of Lauras song as the best song till the kitschfest in the final, which I found then only the 4thbest presentation at that evening. So the video is still no evidence.

So once again: You can certainly show me the article or tweet where William or Deban said they don't wanted Laura to win, because of homophobic, right?

 

[4815162342]

I don't remember who said it but the single best comment here was for me very clear:

The jury/televote system were obvious since a long time, so y'all should have complained before the results show and not now that the winner is not who you desired it to be.

Simple! Don't think its weird they changed their votes in the finale at all but yes it's weird they got double as much say as the Romanian public... Ester now WON fairly and we should stop this drama.

If you want to talk about homophobia or homophobia phobia (apparently it exists) then get your ass to the politics section.

Bye!

You cannot expect every single person to be such a hardcore fan to know exactly which voting system is used where. I think I read about the voting system a week before the final or maybe only some days? I immediately thought the voting system was bullshit and I thought it is dumb to invite two people from the same blogging site when you have only 6 juries in total and when you give them that much power.
If I remember correctly there were also a lot of doubts of the outcome in this thread before the final because of the voting system. What did you expect people to do? I don't think anyone of us here works at TVR and could have prevented anything. This is a voting system in which the televoting last placer could have won easily (and it is always different to see a voting system coming to action than only reading about it). All people here could do was hoping to not get a worst case scenario.

 

[Lindon]

Eurovision.de wrote

Do not jeopardize the credibility of the ESC

The Wiwi case should raise alarm bells among television executives across Europe. The Eurovision Song Contest lives from the fact that its results, if not always comprehensibly, are at least credible. The EBU has done much to ensure that the composition of the country juries is based on transparent criteria designed to ensure fair voting. If this credibility is undermined in the national preliminary decisions, because these criteria are ignored (and the husband of a participant sits on the jury, as in Estonia, or two members of the same fan medium determine the final result to nearly a third, as in Romania) this will also be reflected in the image of the international competition sooner or later. And once the audience does not trust the vote, it's only a matter of time before they turn their backs on the ESC.

 

[Mrm]

[MENTION=16272]Lindon[/MENTION]

You are from Graz?
Cause of signature I ask..

 

[Alaska49]

The Eurovision Song Contest lives from the fact that its results, if not always comprehensibly, are at least credible.

lmaooooooooooooo. funniest joke in the thread. congratulations to eurovision.de.

eurovision itself might have credible (allegedly......) results but NFs have been corrupt since the dawn of time. romania 2019 is actually kind of low in the scale of NF corruption, where 0 is "entry is appropriately disqualified for being an old song" and 10 is "the president of the country (!) declares the NF victory null and void".

yes, choosing two jurors from the same blog is weird and dumb but it was also announced beforehand and nobody moved one finger to complain. i don't care that most people aren't hardcore fans, said fans should have complained sooner if they are upset now.

 

[Lindon]

[MENTION=16272]Lindon[/MENTION]

You are from Graz?
Cause of signature I ask..

I am not, but after Vienna 2015 it would be fair if the ESC 2020 would take place in Graz if PÆNDA wins, because she is from styria.

 

[BorisBubbles]

Pity she ain't gonna win then.

 

[Lindon]

Pity she ain't gonna win then.

Conversely, do you mean she will win if the ESC 2020 takes place in Vienna? We are flexible!

 

[vicki]

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