Romania ROMANIA 2019 - Ester Peony - On a Sunday

[HayashiM]

Well for one, I think, that Ester has the best potential for the ESC. That was the point why I think she is a 9 for me. I don't think, that the kitsch-presentation will work as good als Esters westernlike-presentation.
By the way, one important role of the jury in the national selection is to hold the fanbase in check. Many fans vote for the artist and not necessarily for the best song.

That's why you give the fanbase only 1/7 of voting power, seems legit to me
Btw I get the concerns that the televote turnout might have been rather low in the past years... But you can't remedy that with a situation where its votes have no impact on the final result ( = who wins, let's face it, all the rest is irrelevant) whatsoever, on the contrary. If I were Romanian, I wouldn't bother spending my money voting the next year in the same format.

 

[JohnyKaz]

The Romanian public and the public of any other country in national finals can be an indication of how the general european public will vote. That's why it should be 50-50 with the juries. Ester got 3 points from the public which probably (mark the word "probably") means that she will do well with the juries but not as well in the televote in the ESC

 

[Vondenburg]

[MENTION=15870]Realest[/MENTION]: Your quote shows the exact points why fanbases should be hold in check (hold in check! Not punish! Big difference!). She is no superstar. Her song has the potential to get great at ESC, but her presentation is pure kitsch. It is for me this kind of kitsch, that could turn off juries and televoting alike. Could it still work? Maybe, if they revamp the presentation. On A Sunday doesn't need much revamping to work at the ESC.
What happens with her career after ESC doesn't matter for the ESC.

 

[Realest]

[MENTION=15870]Realest[/MENTION]: Your quote shows the exact points why fanbases should be hold in check (hold in check! Not punish! Big difference!). She is no superstar. Her song has the potential to get great at ESC, but her presentation is pure kitsch. It is for me this kind of kitsch, that could turn off juries and televoting alike. Could it still work? Maybe, if they revamp the presentation. On A Sunday doesn't need much revamping to work at the ESC.
What happens with her career after ESC doesn't matter for the ESC.

Jacques Houdek was also Pure Kitsch and he ended up as 9th in the TV, Starting as one of the most hated Artists this year

 

[Vondenburg]

The Romanian public and the public of any other country in national finals can be an indication of how the general european public will vote. That's why it should be 50-50 with the juries.

No problem with that. The jurysystem at the final was fucked up. But that was not the fault of the wiwibloggers.

 

[4815162342]

Them changing their opinions radically is nothing new. They hated Norma John but William gave 12 for it in UMK. And no, there was no homophobes or other drama in the NF.

starting from 9.40

Judging from the live-performances 'Blackbird' was probably their best shot of qualifying that year - juries favourite also completely matched with televoters.. so no controversy at all even if he did not like the song in studio version.

I really do not get the 0 from Emmelie to Bella, but I accept it, because she is one of the few in the jury, who at least has musical background. She at least fits the criteria that is needed to be an Eurovision jury member.
The others can't go by personal taste. It will always play a role to a certain degree, but it is not allowed to be the major role. Like I know a lot of people who hated 'Amar pelos dois'. And when you are in a jury and give 'Amar pelos dois' low points because it is not your cup of tea, you failed your mission in finding the best possible shot for getting a good result.
And if Deban thinks Laura was only the 7th best shot for getting a good result, then he is out of his mind.. sorry to say so.

 

[Realest]

Linda asked the NDR if she can participate in "Unser Lied für Telaviv", but she knows that shes probably too late.

 

[Vondenburg]

Jacques Houdek was also Pure Kitsch and he ended up as 9th in the TV, Starting as one of the most hated Artists this year

Jacques Houdek had an effective gimmick with his solo duet. Axel Hirsoux for example had no gimmick and got lost in the semi.
So which gimmick did You see in Lauras presentation?

 

[JohnyKaz]

No problem with that. The jurysystem at the final was fucked up. But that was not the fault of the wiwibloggers.

Nope it's not the fault of the juries or wiwiblogs. It's the fault of the organisers.

By the way she is my favorite from all of the entries that were selected this weekend (Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia, Croatia).

 

[Realest]

Jacques Houdek had an effective gimmick with his solo duet. Axel Hirsoux for example had no gimmick and got lost in the semi.
So which gimmick did You see in Lauras presentation?

No Gimmick, she doesnt need it. I just recognise Lauras Huge Talent and the universal Appeal of her Song, this has nothing to do with Fanbase. I didnt know her before. Just look at all those Reactionvideos from lots of Casual-Viewers who listened to it the First Time, then you see why Im convinced in her. Compared to her, I dont exactly know what Ester offers (note that I dont talk about my own taste right now) to the Televoter and Juries in 3 Months.

 

[HayashiM]

Jacques Houdek had an effective gimmick with his solo duet. Axel Hirsoux for example had no gimmick and got lost in the semi.
So which gimmick did You see in Lauras presentation?

You might not like Laura and think her staging was kitch, fine. But you don't need any sort of gimmick for a 17 years old opera singer to stand out.
If you only hear Ester's audio, you won't remember much, half of the song is repetitive monosyllables (it can't get much closer to poor taste and kitsch in my opinion than when you do exactly that). The presentation had made it better and she won, fine, but there's no way she can stand out in Tel Aviv more than Laura or Bella would.

 

[Preuss]

This discussion has been going for days but the big elephant in the room is whoever's in charge of the NF
Let's pray that they'll learn from this "mistake" and fix it to next year

That being said, I really hope Ester's doing well in Tel Aviv - I feel bad for her

 

[DaFlo]

 

[Vondenburg]

No Gimmick, she doesnt need it. I just recognise Lauras Huge Talent and the universal Appeal of her Song, this has nothing to do with Fanbase. I didnt know her before. Just look at all those Reactionvideos from lots of Casual-Viewers who listened to it the First Time, then you see why Im convinced in her. Compared to her, I dont exactly know what Ester offers (note that I dont talk about my own taste right now) to the Televoter and Juries in 3 Months.

I have seen reactionvideos but that were all reactions to the studioversion or the semi. As I said, i was disappointed about here final presentation after I saw the semi and heard the studioversion.
Esters westernpresentation works great with the song. I like her sitting in the armchair waiting for her lover on a sunday. It is telling a story. They nailed it very good in connection with this song.

 

[Vondenburg]

You might not like Laura and think her staging was kitch, fine. But you don't need any sort of gimmick for a 17 years old opera singer to stand out.
If you only hear Ester's audio, you won't remember much, half of the song is repetitive monosyllables (it can't get much closer to poor taste and kitsch in my opinion than when you do exactly that). The presentation had made it better and she won, fine, but there's no way she can stand out in Tel Aviv more than Laura or Bella would.

I like Laura. As I said, i liked her song to the point of her final presentation. That was pure kitsch. And as I said, i found the studionversion of On a Sunday only meh. The presentation nailed it for me. It is telling a story that works perfectly with the song. And that is the point why she stands out more than Laura and Bella.

 

[HayashiM]

I like Laura. As I said, i liked her song to the point of her final presentation. That was pure kitsch. And as I said, i found the studionversion of On a Sunday only meh. The presentation nailed it for me. It is telling a story that works perfectly with the song. And that is the point why she stands out more than Laura and Bella.

So be it, the "waiting for a lover story" did not occur to me and it certainly might have some appeal. Yet Laura's staging in the final wouldn't have to be the final one, it had won the televote (which apparently did not care for Ester's presentation at all) and as for the potential, it doesn't matter much which version do the reaction videos originate from

 

[Alaska49]

Re: ROMANIA 2019

laura went from being my second favourite of the NF and an acceptable alternative to bella to being my second LEAST favourite. what a boring performance, good lord. aldo and lucian/dya are the only ones who were worse.

bella must win duh. but ester, olivier, letitia and trooper are 100% acceptable, good alternatives. i didn't expect ester to be anything more than this NF's fanwank, but it stood out. most of the others would be tolerable but not ideal. even vaida is a better pick than laura now lol. DEFEAT LAURA SOMEONE PLEASE THANKS.

my post before the results were tallied. i didn't even take into account laura's possible homophobia and was still partial to the song in the semifinal. if this happened to me, it could have definitely happened to any juror. GET OVER WIWIBLOGGS CHANGING THEIR MINDS.

 

[Vondenburg]

So be it, the "waiting for a lover story" did not occur to me and it certainly might have some appeal. Yet Laura's staging in the final wouldn't have to be the final one, it had won the televote (which apparently did not care for Ester's presentation at all) and as for the potential, it doesn't matter much which version do the reaction videos originate from

I would like to agree, but my experience with superb songs and artists with a bad presentation says to me, that they will rest on their presentation, because it won. Maybe Laura will get angels wings or something like that.
The televote in romania was really small. They got something like 1200 votes(?). I wouldn't count too much on that, because that count is small enough, that the fanbase of Laura (didn't she win romanians Idol or something?) could easily nearly the only televoting for her. And I think that is the problem, that TVR wanted to circumvent. That part then was fucked up.

 

[Realest]

TVR is a very unpopular Broadcaster in Romania + most of Lauras Fans are from USA + most of her romanian Fans dont care about ESC (like everyonein Romania) + there were technical Issues andd the Voting was stopped 20-30 Minutes before.

 

[florinho21]

televote results for top 3 : laura bretan 6250 , trooper 2957, bella Santiago 2740