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Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

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    201 52.1%
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tsegaye

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Well, like it or not, Pedro and Salvador are definitely going to be the people's favorites. It is all in the regional jury's hands now. I don't mind having any of them representing us in Kyiv: Salvador has a sweet masterpiece; Pedro has what we've never tried before in Eurovision: a modern English pop song.

The voting lines will be open starting tomorrow.

Even if Salvador only was third in his semifinal by the televoters?
 

CaraMia

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I dislike/like Salvador's song. I dislike its style. I dislike that Portugal is in a semifinal of ballads and probably this won't stand out in comparison to Pedro's song, for example. Let's think about this: would people prefer to vote for this intimist song by Portugal or for the Finnish ballad? IMO, they would vote for the Finnish ballad as the instrumental and the atmosphere of the song are more attractive than the "talked" song by this young man with weird manners. That's why I think it's a less competitive song than Pedro's song.

However, I like the song because of the message (but anyway foreign people won't understand it, even if they are touched). IMO, this song it's very different from the average love song that you hear everywhere. He's not saying things like "Baby, I love you", "Baby, we will be together forever" or "I should have done this or that in order to show you how much I love you". He's basically talking to the person he loves, the love is not corresponded and he is basically saying that while the other person doesn't learn how to love him (implying that love is something that grows with time and is not immediate), he can love for both of them. And he doesn't say this in a creepy way (like, "I'm going to kidnap you and lock you in my basement until you learn how to love me"). He says this honestly and hopping that the other person will understand how much he loves her. This song shows such a sensibility! The lyrics is probably better than a lot of poems that we read in published books by known authors. "If someday someone asks for me, tell them that I lived to love you. Before you I only existed, tired and with nothing to give". Damn! In Portuguese it looks like something a Fernando Pessoa's heteronym could have written. I can totally imagine Ricardo Reis (one of Pessoa's heteronyms) dedicating this song to "Lídia" (for foreigners: this is a poem where the author basically just wants to stay sit next to the woman he loves - Lídia - while they see the river flow. They don't hold hands or kiss, although they could do it. But it's simply better to be next to each other, peacefully, because if she dies before him, he won't suffer when he remembers her. He will just picture her like in that moment: calm and sitting by the river with flowers on her lap).

I'm sorry, I just got carried away. I know I shouldn't be comparing a song lyrics from 2017 with a poem by Fernando Pessoa, but this is how sensible I think this song is.
 

DanielLuis

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Even if Salvador only was third in his semifinal by the televoters?

Yes. The popularity of the song grew a lot during the week. It had 300.000 views on youtube, while none of the others 3 SF1 qualifiers even reached 100.000. It was also the only song shared by people on social media, really.

Pedro Gonçalves is en route to do the same thing though.
 

DaFlo

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Pedro Gonçalves to Kyiv!! :mrgreen:

Don't walk away, don't leave me alone,
let's dance till we find the love
xsing
 

DanielLuis

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Running order for the final:

01. Jorge Benvida - Gente Bestial
02. Pedro Gonçalves - Don't Walk Away
03. Lena D'Água - Nunca Me Fui Embora
04. Salvador Sobral - Amar Pelos Dois
05. Fernando Daniel - Poema a Dois
06. Celina da Piedade - Primavera
07. Deolinda Kinzimba - O Que Eu Vi Nos Meus Sonhos
08. Viva la Diva - Nova Glória

It was randomly drawn.
 

mickz

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Even if Salvador only was third in his semifinal by the televoters?

Definitely. He is pretty much the reason why the second semifinal was so hyped here in Portugal, and he'll do much better in the televote in the Final.
 

mickz

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

In my opinion, in the end, this is going to be Festival da Canção 2010 all over again: Pedro Gonçalves will win the televote and be completely screwed by the jury, Salvador Sobral will win the jury and do quite well with the televote -- Salvador wins, fans will go nuts and blame RTP. (If you replace Pedro Gonçalves with Catarina Pereira, and Salvador Sobral with Filipa Azevedo, you'll get it)
 

lacrymea

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

In my opinion, in the end, this is going to be Festival da Canção 2010 all over again: Pedro Gonçalves will win the televote and be completely screwed by the jury, Salvador Sobral will win the jury and do quite well with the televote -- Salvador wins, fans will go nuts and blame RTP. (If you replace Pedro Gonçalves with Catarina Pereira, and Salvador Sobral with Filipa Azevedo, you'll get it)

I predict that as well.
 

DanielLuis

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

In my opinion, in the end, this is going to be Festival da Canção 2010 all over again: Pedro Gonçalves will win the televote and be completely screwed by the jury, Salvador Sobral will win the jury and do quite well with the televote -- Salvador wins, fans will go nuts and blame RTP. (If you replace Pedro Gonçalves with Catarina Pereira, and Salvador Sobral with Filipa Azevedo, you'll get it)

If that's the case, hopefully the end result will be the same - Filipa qualified to the final and shut up a lot of people along the way.
 

toinou03

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Pedro Gonçalves is impressive for FdC, but he can't sing. He has written "no-final" all over the place. You should get Amar pelos dois
 

Alaska49

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

CATARINA PEREIRA SUCKS AND IS BORING ahem i couldn't help it

i'm not very confident about pedro's chances at esc. it's a bit too lidia isac in that "your song is fun and you are lovely, but...... this semi is huge and we already forgot your face by the end oops bye now" way. salvador is impossible to ignore. i say this as someone who really prefers pedro's song.
 

r3gg13

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Although this final is filled with lackluster songs, it has FANTASTIC performers.

I'm kinda bummed that Lisa Garden isn't in the final. Now, it's either Deolinda or Salvador for me
 

Mattan

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Pedro Gonçalves has a song that stands out only because it's Festival da Cançao, other than that it's a mediocre pop song that you've already heard. Salvador Sobral has an entry you've certainly heard things similar to before - it's right out of a distant decade - but it's a great song. Sure, semi 1 is ballad-heavy, but if the song is good enough, it doesn't matter. Amar Pelos Dois is more than good enough - it stands out in any field and is a great composition with a very competent singer, and most importantly, Salvador makes the emotions believable. Not everyone can do that.

I'd be quite happy with a repeat of FdC 2010 as the winner that year was brilliant (though that may be something of an unpopular opinion), but that remains to be seen.
 

theCONWEL

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

I'm firmly on team Primavera here, such a wonderful song with a lovely air to it. Takes me to a lovely place when I hear it xlove
 

jaan

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Does somebody know the name of the orchestral track they are using for the intro?
 

ParadiseES

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

I really liked Pedro's videos from The Voice and I was like crazy looking for his FdC song (I didn't remember his name). It took quite a long time to realize Pedro is the one I was looking for. It's not only physical change, he changed his style too. His song (apart that it would never stand out in ESC because there will be much better in the same style) doesn't suit him AT ALL. He better tries again another year with a more believable entry.
 

Hele.

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Salvador stands out the most, not my cup of tea but I admit there is something really special around him while other songs, with exception of Viva la Diva are just to promote their songs in Portugal. Of course, Pedro stands out, but only on Festival da Cancao, not in Europe. xshrug It would be shame to miss such great opportunity with Salvador this year. I wonder, I see mostly it is mentioned Salvador and Pedro, but Viva la Diva actually won first semi and I wouldn't give up on their chances so easily. :eek:
 
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