NOW OR NEVER | NSC 63 in Akkåville - Grand Finale - DL JAN 29th 12:00 CET (noon)

[takeru]

So the remaining voters are:

Genext
Starogardia
Flora
Virgohronie
Reignland

I suggest we send them all a PM reminder now, to implore them to vote asap?
Were you planning on wrapping everything up tonight Ranko? (deadline and results). I feel bad if this setback has messed up your schedule :\
My personal view would be that, if you really want to, and because this deadline did cover parts of 7 days after all in the end, then it might be OK to stick to your old deadline, but we'll be more clear in future over how long a deadline does need to be...

The convenience for the host is important here, especially as this issue cropped up very late (I guess it's better if people notice earlier if something's amiss in the rules). Because you only extended a few hours before the deadline anyway, I doubt that any of the 5 nonvoters have even noticed it...

Thank you so much though for your co-operation and patience with this matter! As the host, I'll leave this one up to you, and whatever's most convenient for you In the case of the above five, perhaps we can let them send their votes up until the start of the results show, and if not, but they claim they did see the extension, we can exempt them from the punishment of next edition, cos this situation's a bit confusing.

I think that would be my final take on the matter. As the host, do what feels best for you and the results Apologies for all this confusion

 

[Liam]

We should just stick to the original deadline. Those who complain 3 hours before the deadline - too late, you've had almost a week to say that. The deadline was made on Tuesday for a good reason.

 

[Keko]

What's the rush? I was also looking forward to results today, but if they have to be postponed let it be so. If you want fast-paced contest join HSC. They have 2-3 day deadlines XD

 

[renzo]

page 3 first post...reignland said they voted!

 

[Bojan]

What's the rush? I was also looking forward to results today, but if they have to be postponed let it be so. If you want fast-paced contest join HSC. They have 2-3 day deadlines XD

it's not about rushing, it's that the complaints were literally few hours before the original deadline which was known from the very beginning of the final.
I don't mind perosnally any date of the results show, but we should respect the host's final decision.

 

[akka]

Reignland gave 4 and 6 pts to the same country.

 

[Jukica]

Private life > NSC

At least for me ... so, I think that deadline should be when host has time.

 

[takeru]

Even I feel messed up reading my last post again >.>

What I wanted to say, in short:
Because the rule wasn't noticed until so late, I think that akka should be allowed to continue on as he originally planned, especially because his week is so busy and he'd scheduled himself to do the results tonight. If akka wants to, of course.

In this particular instance, I wouldn't want to see major inconveniences caused to the host over a petty rule And the original member who noticed it has been able to vote now anyway

 

[akka]

Final show: Saturday afternoon.

Now excuse me, I have to study.

 

[Liam]

I hope you're happy Heiki, you made a big drama about it and STILL voted before the original deadline? What was your motive? Bed time I guess, laterssss

 

[Turkish97]

It's TOO late !

 

[takeru]

Good, I'm glad it suits you
Thank you so much for your co-operative handling of all this confusion! I hope your exams go well 1

 

[Liam]

Well if this is best for Ranko then that's all the matters.. but results would've been over by now without the unneeded drama. I'll see you guys on Saturdayyyy. Here's to a dead NSC, almost everyone voted, results are ready, LL is doneee

 

[takeru]

I hope you're happy Heiki, you made a big drama about it and STILL voted before the original deadline? What was your motive? Bed time I guess, laterssss

In Heiki's defence, he asked me beforehand whether it was right to bring it up. I told him he should, because it's true that the one-week-minimum is there for a very good reason.

What we didn't know at the time was whether such a situation would be convenient for the host or not. As it so happens, things are a bit awkward there, but it's probably best in the end to give akka the time he needs to study before his exams anyway

In the meantime, we can concentrate on confirming entries for Absolutely Everybody/getting the next spinoff started

 

[SpZ]

Re: NOW OR NEVER | NSC 63 in Akkåville - Grand Finale - DL JAN 25th 12:00 CET (noon)

Just the facts:
The one week-rule has been very ambiguous and freely bent in the past. There has never been any enforcement of having the voting period last a minimum of 168 hours (which probably hasn't even been the case a majority of times). The only actually practiced constant is having the voting period cover at least parts of 7 different calendar days in unbroken succession, which this edition actually did oblige to before the extension.

Basically, rule violation or not is up for discussion. However, now that the deadline has been extended, it's not really a viable option to take it back.

Well the fact that noone has endorsed the rules before doesn't mean they are non existant. I'm not sure if we have actually had so short deadline before, so there is a perfectly fine reason why it came up. In case the 7 day minimum rule is declared to be "not existing" there should be a rules update.

NSC 62 lasted for a bit more than 21 days, ending in the middle of week and i liked that NSC 63 was fixing it smoothly back to weekend deadlines. I find the contest following full week rythm most comfortable, cause we all follow that rythm in our every day lifes.

And well... i was looking forward to the results show today, like some others...

Tuesday is not weekend? And besides adding days is always an alternative to removing them if you want to have shows on a certain day. And yes too long shows are also a problem, but not as big as people then have more not less time to react.

It always should be in the time most suitable to the host as he/she is doing all the work.
so I was fine with the original deadline lasting less than a week. nobody complained that the confirmation week was going for more than 7 days heh? :? But it was probably cuz of your own private life schedule which is more than understandable.
and I agree the new extension of the deadline is pointless, but it's also true that the host can't satisfy us all.

While I agree that the schedul of the host is important to some extent, i would remind you all that hosting is totally optional activity and if doing it properly doesnt fit in your schedul - it might be wise to consider leaving hosting to someone else.

We should just stick to the original deadline. Those who complain 3 hours before the deadline - too late, you've had almost a week to say that. The deadline was made on Tuesday for a good reason.

Firstly it was not 3 hours before the deadline, but that is not important. It is important that people (as in voters) can plan their time. I mean i was quite busy in the last week and didn't check the deadline before yesterday as i rightfully assumed that i had time. If someone in msn wouldnt have mentioned that the deadline was orginally today noon, i wouldnt have woken up and voted early and wouldhave missed voting.

What's the rush? I was also looking forward to results today, but if they have to be postponed let it be so. If you want fast-paced contest join HSC. They have 2-3 day deadlines XD

I agree. The community has agreed that the speed of the contest should be faster than an event a week. That means going much faster is not ok. (Well if people want a faster contest there could be a new agreement).

I hope you're happy Heiki, you made a big drama about it and STILL voted before the original deadline? What was your motive? Bed time I guess, laterssss

Yes, I'm quite happy. It is probably way less likely now that the next host will do under 7 days deadlines for next nsc. And also the problem is out in the open now.

 

[Liam]

Sorry Heiki, rules are rules, I respect that, I'm just annoyed because there's somewhere I have to be on Saturday night, stupid parents making me meet people I really don't wanna see

 

[94ayd]

Nati's way of dealing with this would've been fine with me but whatever...

 

[Sean]

It seems that before the original deadline there was just as many non-voters as there would generally be (if we discount Reignland as they did send in votes somewhat then there were only 4) and I was perfectly fine with a shorter deadline, as almost everyone in NSC seemed to be, so I would've been fine leaving it as it was, especially since it would've suited akkå down to the ground. Not to mention that it was also incredibly inconvenient to mention it 2 hours before the deadline (you don't need to ask permission, if you have concerns just say it, mods don't dictate you) and now we have to wait almost as long as the length of time originally allocate for 1 or 2 voters, as I doubt that a few of those will eventually vote.

I was looking forward to results tonight as I imagine many people were and I personally think that if people are prepared to vote within the original deadline as they did then there should be no problem. 1 and a half days isn't that significant a chunk of time off the norm and everybody managed it okay so I dunno why this has suddenly been brought up but whatever...

 

[Simon87]

Is Flora voted?

I sent her message on facebook

 

[berlyda]

I can't please you all. I have exams all week, and I found time tonight to end this edition, but some of you had problem with 5.5 days for voting instead of 7. Well, it's ok, I don't mind. But than you'll have to wait until Saturday. Yes, these 4 days will be wasted, coz country that didn't voted in 5.5 days won't vote in 7 either. But, your choice. Now you (they) have 4 extra days to (not) vote.

That's all I have to say about this one.

Final show: Saturday afternoon.

I think you sum up the situation well. Now that the rule has been brought up, the only real option is to extend the deadline, regardless of whether any more people will vote in that time. Otherwise all sorts of horrors could happen. And if that means postponing the results show to Saturday, then so be it, a few extra days isn't the end of the world.
It's far better to extend the deadline and avoid any possible messy situations regarding voting penalties and queries about rule-breaking, than to keep the original deadline and risk a few complaints from impatient people