stephanos13
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Juries rules and their affect on 50% of the final result need to stop. ONLY THE VIEWERS to decide the winner.
Enough!!!
Enough!!!
No Juries anymore ONLY TELEVOTING!
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Second that! And fact of the matter is juries have MORE than 50% say with the ranking system. It's disgusting how they use their powers to sabotage televoting just because they have a narrow-minded view on music and what Eurovision should be about and are biased against countries.
The fact that a country can win televoting, yet end up with 0 thanx to juries manipulations, is disgusting. Why should these people have MORE than equal say anyways? What are they bringing to the table? It's been proven for the past years that the viewers are less musically biased and more open-minded.
Eurovision should be about celebrating Europe, year after year we see a decline in local sounding entries and native languages, juries won't support anything different than a western/Americanized SAFE pop/ballad norm.
The fact that a country can win televoting, yet end up with 0 thanx to juries manipulations, is disgusting. Why should these people have MORE than equal say anyways? What are they bringing to the table? It's been proven for the past years that the viewers are less musically biased and more open-minded.
Eurovision should be about celebrating Europe, year after year we see a decline in local sounding entries and native languages, juries won't support anything different than a western/Americanized SAFE pop/ballad norm.
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25% Jury / 75% televote?
There are more people having an opinion on the televote than the juries, so I think the televote is more important. But I wouldn't change it to 0% Jury / 100% Televote, though.
There are more people having an opinion on the televote than the juries, so I think the televote is more important. But I wouldn't change it to 0% Jury / 100% Televote, though.
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This seems like the best solution to me. As well as creating 9 and 11 points.
stephanos13
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This year many countries totally destroyed by Juries like Poland and Switerland.
75-25 sounds better but something has to change because many countries will leave the contest this is for sure. And every year Eurovision would have less countries.
75-25 sounds better but something has to change because many countries will leave the contest this is for sure. And every year Eurovision would have less countries.
Viiiik
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I think we don't need these kind of juries.
Every country choose 3 former Eurovision participant. Jury - three people/one country, who performed previously on the Eurovision, who experienced the feeling as the part of the show. And it can counted 25% - 75% remains for the televoters.
Every country choose 3 former Eurovision participant. Jury - three people/one country, who performed previously on the Eurovision, who experienced the feeling as the part of the show. And it can counted 25% - 75% remains for the televoters.
That's a great idea as well. They know how hard it is to perform on the stage and how much work it requires.
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100% televoting is not a viable alternative at all. People may forget now the constant 12's to Turkey from Germany, France, Belgium, etc.
Do not get me started, and our particular fondness for Greece.
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And no one wants that, but let's be real here, there's been alot of changes in the televoting patterns during the past years, fact of the matter is I believe televoters are now MORE open minded and LESS biased than juries.
Just look at how the juries are treating certain genres for instance, look at what they did with Poland this year (sure Poland got diaspora, but that NEVER helped them in the past so it's not like your typical case of diaspora voting country).
The juries shouldn't be here to PREVENT diaspora countries from getting points though, they should be here to even some things out when NEEDED and vote without country in mind, but they seem to vote just as much for countries as some viewers, which is even a bigger problem considering their job should be to solely judging the music.
Also they are very close minded, and we see the result in decline in anything local or different. I honestly think they done lots of harm to this contest, gone are every trace of Europe, it's all just safe Anglo Pop now and countries are punished when they send something true to their colors, but hailed if they send someone sending and imported entry pretending to be something they're not.
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Why not get some great singers/composers from non European countries as jury, from the USA for example. At least there are a lot less political issues then...
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Would they be open to European type of music though? Or would we just be dragged even further down into the vision that Americanized music is the only thing that matters?
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Well, I suggested before that juries should have guidelines and that there should be a stronger definition of what Eurovision is. It should be a contest of celebrating Europe for all it is, but now it's turned into a blandfest where only safe stuff in English is getting premiered.
I'd like to keep the jury but change the rules so that they can't sabotage an entry like they can (and do) now.
My idea:
-Jury and televoters rank and vote exactly like they do now.
-The top-12 (or something like that) from the jury-ranking receive points from 12 (winner) to 1 (12th place), and the same goes for the top-12 in the televoting.
Example: these 14 countries made one or both of the top-12 lists
Country Jury points Televoting points Total
China 4 9 13
Haiti - 7 7
Uruguay 8 8 16
Fiji 12 5 17
Liberia 1 4 5
Mongolia 5 1 6
Australia 11 2 13
Monaco 6 6 12
Laos - 12 12
USA 7 3 10
Gabon 10 10 20
Iran 3 - 3
Samoa 9 11 20
Lesotho 2 - 2
The country with the highest total points gets 12, etc. If there's a tie, the country with more televotes is ranked higher. So, here are the results from Mexico:
Samoa 12 pts (more televotes than Gabon)
Gabon 10 pts
Fiji 8 pts
Uruguay 7 pts
China 6 pts
Australia 5 pts
Laos 4 pts
Monaco 3 pts
USA 2 pts
Haiti 1 pt
This way we are much closer to an actual 50/50 split. After rank 12 it doesn't matter what your ranking is, it's all the same. Jury didn't like the televote winner Laos, but they still got 4 pts because the jury couldn't bury them below 20 like they can with the current system.
My idea:
-Jury and televoters rank and vote exactly like they do now.
-The top-12 (or something like that) from the jury-ranking receive points from 12 (winner) to 1 (12th place), and the same goes for the top-12 in the televoting.
Example: these 14 countries made one or both of the top-12 lists
Country Jury points Televoting points Total
China 4 9 13
Haiti - 7 7
Uruguay 8 8 16
Fiji 12 5 17
Liberia 1 4 5
Mongolia 5 1 6
Australia 11 2 13
Monaco 6 6 12
Laos - 12 12
USA 7 3 10
Gabon 10 10 20
Iran 3 - 3
Samoa 9 11 20
Lesotho 2 - 2
The country with the highest total points gets 12, etc. If there's a tie, the country with more televotes is ranked higher. So, here are the results from Mexico:
Samoa 12 pts (more televotes than Gabon)
Gabon 10 pts
Fiji 8 pts
Uruguay 7 pts
China 6 pts
Australia 5 pts
Laos 4 pts
Monaco 3 pts
USA 2 pts
Haiti 1 pt
This way we are much closer to an actual 50/50 split. After rank 12 it doesn't matter what your ranking is, it's all the same. Jury didn't like the televote winner Laos, but they still got 4 pts because the jury couldn't bury them below 20 like they can with the current system.
Franco
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In my 4 years experience, juries seem to work well in some countries and not so well in others.
Maybe there isn't a solution good for all. Maybe each country should choose their own mix of jury/televote.
Maybe there isn't a solution good for all. Maybe each country should choose their own mix of jury/televote.
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That's obvious EBU wanted less political results and effected juries more, but it made the contest more political.
Solution is quite hard... Taking completely jury votes away may end up in a worse way. But there are better options imo.
Example,
Qualifing - Top 8 from combinated results + top non qualifier from public votes + top non qualifier from jury votes
Final - 25% seems fair to me. At least we can give it a try
Solution is quite hard... Taking completely jury votes away may end up in a worse way. But there are better options imo.
Example,
Qualifing - Top 8 from combinated results + top non qualifier from public votes + top non qualifier from jury votes
Final - 25% seems fair to me. At least we can give it a try