Morocco MOROCCO 2014 - not taking part
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Charly
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Tbh I rather prefer Sofia Essaidi then Nabila Maan ^
Tbh I rather prefer Sofia Essaidi then Nabila Maan ^
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i dont think Morocco a day is the arab country to take part at esc, the only arab country who have some interest to ebu show is Tunisia, but their economical situation is a little bad, another interesting country is Algeria, they are plenty of gas and petroiland is a westerized country.
i dont think Morocco a day is the arab country to take part at esc, the only arab country who have some interest to ebu show is Tunisia, but their economical situation is a little bad, another interesting country is Algeria, they are plenty of gas and petroiland is a westerized country.
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Algeria ?
Algeria and Tunisia are politically impossible... Algeria's regime is sadly based on the reject of Europe, so they wouldnever enter the contest.... Tunisia and Egypt are now ruled by Islamists. Lebanon is in a hard political situation. Jordan has never expressed any interest in Eurovision AFIK, and Libya is not a member of EBU any more as Ghaddafi's channel has been dismantled. So, Morocco is the only Arab country which could actually enter the contest but I really think they are not interested... no ?
Algeria ?
Algeria and Tunisia are politically impossible... Algeria's regime is sadly based on the reject of Europe, so they wouldnever enter the contest.... Tunisia and Egypt are now ruled by Islamists. Lebanon is in a hard political situation. Jordan has never expressed any interest in Eurovision AFIK, and Libya is not a member of EBU any more as Ghaddafi's channel has been dismantled. So, Morocco is the only Arab country which could actually enter the contest but I really think they are not interested... no ?
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Algeria westernised? Are you drunk? they are not westernised at all, in fact their streets are so dirty and full of corruption. Tunisia will have no interest, the new regime is destroying womans rights and getting poorer and poorer. Morocco we dont call ourselves Arab and there is more Berber then Arabs here and we are the most westernised out of the Maghreb!
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Archer, the only songs which Nabila Maan is good at is Allah ya Moulana and Hki Li but she mainly do songs based on covers
Algeria westernised? Are you drunk? they are not westernised at all, in fact their streets are so dirty and full of corruption. Tunisia will have no interest, the new regime is destroying womans rights and getting poorer and poorer. Morocco we dont call ourselves Arab and there is more Berber then Arabs here and we are the most westernised out of the Maghreb!
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Archer, the only songs which Nabila Maan is good at is Allah ya Moulana and Hki Li but she mainly do songs based on covers
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Algeria westernized???
Tunisia was the "most" westernized out of the North-African countries, but even that is now being ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood after the Islamic revolutions spring...
Algeria westernized???
Tunisia was the "most" westernized out of the North-African countries, but even that is now being ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood after the Islamic revolutions spring...
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She still sings very good, she has her own style which I like.
Archer, the only songs which Nabila Maan is good at is Allah ya Moulana and Hki Li but she mainly do songs based on covers
She still sings very good, she has her own style which I like.
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I'd actually love to see Morocco in the ESC. Unlike Qatar or Kazakhstan, Morocco would actually be in it to display its music and culture instead of throwing ridiculous amounts of money at a Swedish entry or reinforcing the Soviet bloc.
Same goes for Lebanon (and, incidentally, for Israel).
I'd actually love to see Morocco in the ESC. Unlike Qatar or Kazakhstan, Morocco would actually be in it to display its music and culture instead of throwing ridiculous amounts of money at a Swedish entry or reinforcing the Soviet bloc.
Same goes for Lebanon (and, incidentally, for Israel).
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I don't think Kazakhstan would buy entries from Sweden... anyways I don't see people complain about the fact that in recent years Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Italy also entered with Swedish entries, while Germany have been busy shopping entries from the US/UK
Oh, and Morocco and Lebanon are non- European countries, unlike Kazakhstan... so only hypocrisy and biasism would allow these new MASSIVE diaspora vote gaining countries in, but block a country that is actually connected to Europe geographically and in other ways too (yes, Russia is a European nation and country even if some in here are unwilling to admit this fact).
I don't think Kazakhstan would buy entries from Sweden... anyways I don't see people complain about the fact that in recent years Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Italy also entered with Swedish entries, while Germany have been busy shopping entries from the US/UK
Oh, and Morocco and Lebanon are non- European countries, unlike Kazakhstan... so only hypocrisy and biasism would allow these new MASSIVE diaspora vote gaining countries in, but block a country that is actually connected to Europe geographically and in other ways too (yes, Russia is a European nation and country even if some in here are unwilling to admit this fact).
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That's what I thought when Azerbaijan entered... I thought we would be listening to genuine Azerbaijani music... :?
That's what I thought when Azerbaijan entered... I thought we would be listening to genuine Azerbaijani music... :?
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Well, for some reason Azerbaijan doesn't seem to have a developed contemporary music scene, it seems pretty small. I could be wrong of course, but that's the feeling I get.
However Kazakhstan seem to have a growing contemporary music scene (I already gave some examples in here).
Well, for some reason Azerbaijan doesn't seem to have a developed contemporary music scene, it seems pretty small. I could be wrong of course, but that's the feeling I get.
However Kazakhstan seem to have a growing contemporary music scene (I already gave some examples in here).
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You know I don't belong to those people though. Even though I'm not as radical as you are, you know I would be delighted if the language rule came back and if local artists, producers and songwriters were made mandatory. So yes, I oppose Kazakhstan in ESC because I doubt it would be different from the rest of the ex-USSR countries (except the Baltic countries), namely: let's send generic pop with no link to us whatsoever. What makes you think Kazakhstan will send us original artists and songs when Russia does not (except in 2012 and 2009)?
What about Israel? Morocco and Lebanon are as close to Europe as Israel and Azerbaijan are, historically and culturally. With regard to diaspora votes, it'd only mean that Belgium, Netherlands would give their 12 points to Morocco instead of Greece/Armenia/Turkey. Not much difference anyway, considering that it is not the diaspora but the blocs (Nordic, Balkan or Soviet) which determines the winner. And on the bright side, I think Morocco and Lebanon might provide some points to France.
I don't think Kazakhstan would buy entries from Sweden... anyways I don't see people complain about the fact that in recent years Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Italy also entered with Swedish entries, while Germany have been busy shopping entries from the US/UK
You know I don't belong to those people though. Even though I'm not as radical as you are, you know I would be delighted if the language rule came back and if local artists, producers and songwriters were made mandatory. So yes, I oppose Kazakhstan in ESC because I doubt it would be different from the rest of the ex-USSR countries (except the Baltic countries), namely: let's send generic pop with no link to us whatsoever. What makes you think Kazakhstan will send us original artists and songs when Russia does not (except in 2012 and 2009)?
What about Israel? Morocco and Lebanon are as close to Europe as Israel and Azerbaijan are, historically and culturally. With regard to diaspora votes, it'd only mean that Belgium, Netherlands would give their 12 points to Morocco instead of Greece/Armenia/Turkey. Not much difference anyway, considering that it is not the diaspora but the blocs (Nordic, Balkan or Soviet) which determines the winner. And on the bright side, I think Morocco and Lebanon might provide some points to France.
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Israel has been an active participant in ESC since the 1970's, we can't just throw them out now can we? Also Israel is not just geographically close to continental Europe (because really, it's not as if it's on the other side of the planet or anything), it's also taking part in several other events (mostly sports) as part of Europe (for logical reasons). Unlike Morocco and Lebanon, Israel wouldn't be able to take part in some Arabvision.
Half of Israel is practically also made up by European diaspora from various European countries, so the cultural, social and political ties are strong.
Yes, Morocco and Lebanon are former colonies, but they weren't really "colonized" by Europeans in the sense as Israel was, and the cultural ties they had with Europe are vanishing fast (hello Lebanon is ruled party by Hizbollah!). Morocco and Lebanon aren't geographically European, and their cultural, social and political ties are also limited these days.
And Arab diaspora in general would vote for any of these countries (sorta like some of the Turkish diaspora supported Azerbaijan when Turkey didn't enter or qualified to the final).
I still think it's funny how you want ESC to be expanded with countries that aren't even geographically attached to Europe, yet you want to block a country only based on your fear of ex-USSR bloc voting... to me that's just biasism
Israel has been an active participant in ESC since the 1970's, we can't just throw them out now can we? Also Israel is not just geographically close to continental Europe (because really, it's not as if it's on the other side of the planet or anything), it's also taking part in several other events (mostly sports) as part of Europe (for logical reasons). Unlike Morocco and Lebanon, Israel wouldn't be able to take part in some Arabvision.
Half of Israel is practically also made up by European diaspora from various European countries, so the cultural, social and political ties are strong.
Yes, Morocco and Lebanon are former colonies, but they weren't really "colonized" by Europeans in the sense as Israel was, and the cultural ties they had with Europe are vanishing fast (hello Lebanon is ruled party by Hizbollah!). Morocco and Lebanon aren't geographically European, and their cultural, social and political ties are also limited these days.
And Arab diaspora in general would vote for any of these countries (sorta like some of the Turkish diaspora supported Azerbaijan when Turkey didn't enter or qualified to the final).
I still think it's funny how you want ESC to be expanded with countries that aren't even geographically attached to Europe, yet you want to block a country only based on your fear of ex-USSR bloc voting... to me that's just biasism
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I am a strong supporter of Israel in the ESC, I wouldn't want them to be thrown out at all!. Morocco participated in the ESC once in 1980 and Lebanon almost did in 2005.
A Hezbollah Lebanon would never want to participate in the ESC anyway. But I would very much be favourable to their participation if they accepted Israel's presence. Same with Morocco.
I believe that the case for Kazakhstan being "in Europe" is as thin and controversial as with Israel, Morocco, Lebanon and even Turkey. In the end, what matters to me is what they will bring to the Contest. I may be wrong, but Kazakhstan would just be yet another one of those rich countries who see the ESC solely as a business venture, throwing money at a commercial entry in the hopes of organising a major event in Astana.
You can't argue for a rigid view of the EUROvision Song Contest (your emphasis) and then defend Israel's place in it. The truth is the boundaries of the ESC have always been fluid and every country has a case for entering it. You even see people defending Qatar's bid (which I oppose). I may be biased, but you are too.
I am a strong supporter of Israel in the ESC, I wouldn't want them to be thrown out at all!
. Morocco participated in the ESC once in 1980 and Lebanon almost did in 2005.A Hezbollah Lebanon would never want to participate in the ESC anyway. But I would very much be favourable to their participation if they accepted Israel's presence. Same with Morocco.
still think it's funny how you want ESC to be expanded with countries that aren't even geographically attached to Europe, yet you want to block a country only based on your fear of ex-USSR bloc voting... to me that's just biasism
I believe that the case for Kazakhstan being "in Europe" is as thin and controversial as with Israel, Morocco, Lebanon and even Turkey. In the end, what matters to me is what they will bring to the Contest. I may be wrong, but Kazakhstan would just be yet another one of those rich countries who see the ESC solely as a business venture, throwing money at a commercial entry in the hopes of organising a major event in Astana.
You can't argue for a rigid view of the EUROvision Song Contest (your emphasis) and then defend Israel's place in it. The truth is the boundaries of the ESC have always been fluid and every country has a case for entering it. You even see people defending Qatar's bid (which I oppose). I may be biased, but you are too.
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Well, we're all biased to some extent I guess... afterall we're just humans and have our own opinions and preferences.
As for Israel, well I argued for why I think they have a place in ESC. If nothing else, atleast their long history with the contest should be a valid argument enough... afterall I wasn't born in the 70's, the first ESC I viewed live on TV was 1997... so for me Israel is a natural part of it.
Morocco entered once and then withdrew, they don't really have a history with ESC, it's simply too brief to be compared to Israel.
Well, I'm perhaps politically biased in a sense, but I always considered Israel as part of Europe's extended family.
Well, as for Kazakhstan, it's just speculation that they would turn into another Azerbaijan (= completely relying on other countries products in ESC). I think when ESC was expanded with the former USSR, part of the "show off" some of these countries felt the need to have actually brought in some well needed fresh air in the contest. Maybe my taste differs, but I think countries like Russia and Ukraine have brought alot of good stuff to Eurovision over the years, and much have it have been local products and not imports.
So there's both good and bad in this "desperation" of "showing-off".
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Well, we're all biased to some extent I guess... afterall we're just humans and have our own opinions and preferences.
As for Israel, well I argued for why I think they have a place in ESC. If nothing else, atleast their long history with the contest should be a valid argument enough... afterall I wasn't born in the 70's, the first ESC I viewed live on TV was 1997... so for me Israel is a natural part of it.
Morocco entered once and then withdrew, they don't really have a history with ESC, it's simply too brief to be compared to Israel.
Well, I'm perhaps politically biased in a sense, but I always considered Israel as part of Europe's extended family.
Well, as for Kazakhstan, it's just speculation that they would turn into another Azerbaijan (= completely relying on other countries products in ESC). I think when ESC was expanded with the former USSR, part of the "show off" some of these countries felt the need to have actually brought in some well needed fresh air in the contest. Maybe my taste differs, but I think countries like Russia and Ukraine have brought alot of good stuff to Eurovision over the years, and much have it have been local products and not imports.
So there's both good and bad in this "desperation" of "showing-off".
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Morocco already participates many years (France, Belgium, Netherlands)
Morocco already participates many years (France, Belgium, Netherlands)
Quent91
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Stop it
Morocco already participates many years (France, Belgium, Netherlands)
Stop it
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+ Sweden
Morocco already participates many years (France, Belgium, Netherlands)
+ Sweden