KAZAKHSTAN 2016 - not taking part

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2016

What's this discussion about Kazakhstan supporting Turkey rather than Russia in ESC? Kazakhstan is politically, culturally and socially closer to Russia actually. With that said there is no denying that they belong to the Turkic "cultural and linguistic" family, but the ties are much stronger to Russia nonetheless and I'd argue even to other ex-USSR countries than Turkey (so yes Azerbaijan could also benefit from a Kazakh debut being both Turkic and ex-USSR in the same time).

Anyways these are just hypothetical speculations to whom Kazakhstan will give their main support in ESC. Chances seem to be zero to see Kazakhstan in the contest though because it's apparent that EBU is having a western/Anglo-centric perspective regarding ESC which means that they have no problem enter the door to countries like Australia that are as far from Europe geographically as possible only due to it having the "right culture" rather than partly European countries like Kazakhstan. It's a shame but it shows the true colors of EBU and their ignorant mindset.

 

[Archer]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2016

What's this discussion about Kazakhstan supporting Turkey rather than Russia in ESC? Kazakhstan is politically, culturally and socially closer to Russia actually. With that said there is no denying that they belong to the Turkic "cultural and linguistic" family, but the ties are much stronger to Russia nonetheless and I'd argue even to other ex-USSR countries than Turkey (so yes Azerbaijan could also benefit from a Kazakh debut being both Turkic and ex-USSR in the same time).

Anyways these are just hypothetical speculations to whom Kazakhstan will give their main support in ESC. Chances seem to be zero to see Kazakhstan in the contest though because it's apparent that EBU is having a western/Anglo-centric perspective regarding ESC which means that they have no problem enter the door to countries like Australia that are as far from Europe geographically as possible only due to it having the "right culture" rather than partly European countries like Kazakhstan. It's a shame but it shows the true colors of EBU and their ignorant mindset.

If anything I want Kazakhstan to participate for the sole reason I want to see your face. Keep believin' in your bull*hit. I'm sure you would say same things for Azerbaijan hadn't they participated.

 

[Brandt]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2016

What's this discussion about Kazakhstan supporting Turkey rather than Russia in ESC? Kazakhstan is politically, culturally and socially closer to Russia actually. With that said there is no denying that they belong to the Turkic "cultural and linguistic" family, but the ties are much stronger to Russia nonetheless and I'd argue even to other ex-USSR countries than Turkey (so yes Azerbaijan could also benefit from a Kazakh debut being both Turkic and ex-USSR in the same time).

Anyways these are just hypothetical speculations to whom Kazakhstan will give their main support in ESC. Chances seem to be zero to see Kazakhstan in the contest though because it's apparent that EBU is having a western/Anglo-centric perspective regarding ESC which means that they have no problem enter the door to countries like Australia that are as far from Europe geographically as possible only due to it having the "right culture" rather than partly European countries like Kazakhstan. It's a shame but it shows the true colors of EBU and their ignorant mindset.

I don't think countries should be criticized unless they participate. If Azerbaijan wouldn't participate, I'd expect them to send ethnic and preferably boring entries which almost never qualify in case they participate. But they send more "European" entries than many others and they are one of the most successful countries of Eurovision. So you shouldn't put Kazakhstan in a situation without a chance them to show themselves.

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2016

I don't think countries should be criticized unless they participate. If Azerbaijan wouldn't participate, I'd expect them to send ethnic and preferably boring entries which almost never qualify in case they participate. But they send more "European" entries than many others and they are one of the most successful countries of Eurovision. So you shouldn't put Kazakhstan in a situation without a chance them to show themselves.

Huh?? Surely you must have quoted the wrong person because this response has nothing to do with my comment??? When did I criticize Kazakhstan here? On contrary I'm one of the strongest supporters of them entering

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2016

If anything I want Kazakhstan to participate for the sole reason I want to see your face. Keep believin' in your bull*hit. I'm sure you would say same things for Azerbaijan hadn't they participated.

See my face when I happen to be correct when your nationalist idea about pan-Turkey doesn't show to be quite accurate? Yes, be my guest...

I love how saying Kazakhstan is closer to Russia (which it is) is really annoying you this much as if it's somehow criticism against Turkey!? (but then again, if I even mention "Turkey" in any other sentences you will see this as criticism... regardless of what it can be)

Azerbaijan is way closer to Turkey than Kazakhstan is so I wouldn't put them two in the same boat.

 

[Krishoes]

Khabar Television, the state broadcaster of Kazakhstan, is to join the European Broadcasting Union on January 1st.

http://khabar.kz/ru/news/obshchestv...ar-vstupaet-v-evropejskij-veshchatelnyj-soyuz

 

[AlekS]

They've been having negotiations about entering ESC for few years. Imo there's a high chance to see them on ESC 2017.

 

[lowyby]

The EBU could be extra nice though and let them enter in 2016, just as they did with Australia entering in february

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

Kazakhstan will join EBU as an Associate member though, so this means it's still not eligible to take part in ESC.

 

[Chorizo]

I don't want them to join because that would be one more country that gives all its top points to its neighbors.

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

I don't want them to join because that would be one more country that gives all its top points to its neighbors.

They can't join anyway, EBU has just twitted this to me: https://twitter.com/EBU_HQ/status/677808403180347392

 

[Krishoes]

Kazakhstan will join EBU as an Associate member though, so this means it's still not eligible to take part in ESC.

Australia 2

 

[AlekS]

Kazakhstan will join EBU as an Associate member though, so this means it's still not eligible to take part in ESC.

They always tried to submit as an active member + they had negotiations to do this as an exception.
Australian SBS is Associate Member.

 

[AlekS]

They can't join anyway, EBU has just twitted this to me: https://twitter.com/EBU_HQ/status/677808403180347392

Associate Member SBS can take part in ESC and it was invited by the EBU.
Associate Member Khabar can't take part in ESC 2017 because it's against the rules... no comments.

The main reason are low TV ratings anyway, according to Andy. With such attitude all negotiations are useless imo.

 

[GRE]

In oikotimes they are very furious about this development

http://oikotimes.com/2015/12/18/we-had-it-all-and-now-we-might-have-kazakstan-too/

 

[PamSwynford]

Someone should contact his shrink.

 

[Chorizo]

They can't join anyway, EBU has just twitted this to me: https://twitter.com/EBU_HQ/status/677808403180347392

"Under current rules" as they say.
We know how fast that can change.

 

[Stiven]

The main reason are low TV ratings anyway, according to Andy. With such attitude all negotiations are useless imo.

Okay so I got interested and decided to see the Kazakh viewing figures and well:

TV rating of the broadcast of the show in Kazakhstan according to TNS Central Asia data were as following:
May 25 live at 01.00 - 0.4%
May 26 recorded at 17.00 - 1.6%
May 27 live at 01.00 - 0.6%
May 28 recorded at 17.00 - 1.3%
May 29 live at 01.00 - 0.9%
May 30 recorded at 17.00 - 2.1%

No wonder why they struggle to find a sponsor for the event their fandom for the show is pretty much non-existent.

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

"Under current rules" as they say.
We know how fast that can change.

But the rules haven't changed. The fact that Australia participates doesn't mean that now all the Associate members can participate too.

 

[EscGeek]

Kazakhstan is now one of us