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KAZAKHSTAN 2014 - not taking part
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Charly
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Only if EBU stop denying their request to join!
Kazakhstan?Maybe if Georgia/Russia will win.
Only if EBU stop denying their request to join!
anto475
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Idk, the two countries in ESC closest to Kazakhstan have both hosted in the past 5 years and they've only made a small noise indicating will to participate like. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see them on stage!
Kazakhstan?
Idk, the two countries in ESC closest to Kazakhstan have both hosted in the past 5 years and they've only made a small noise indicating will to participate like. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see them on stage!
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The reason they haven't entered yet is because the EBU hasn't accepted their broadcaster into the union.
The reason they haven't entered yet is because the EBU hasn't accepted their broadcaster into the union.
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For what reason?
If you're against Kazakhstan, you should be against Turkey, Israel, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia aswell... none of those are fully geographical European.
Kazakhstan has a geographical European part, which is more than some current countries have... would just be major hypocrisy not allowing them.
For what reason?
If you're against Kazakhstan, you should be against Turkey, Israel, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia aswell... none of those are fully geographical European.
Kazakhstan has a geographical European part, which is more than some current countries have... would just be major hypocrisy not allowing them.
Quent91
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but do they really want to join ? do they have sent a request to join it ?
but do they really want to join ? do they have sent a request to join it ?
anto475
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I'm all for new countries in the ESC, it basically means more songs and NFs and more entries and it all becomes more exciting. But no to Kazakhstan for me, for a few reasons.
Firstly the time difference, that's massive. The contest would be starting at midnight/one o'clock and wouldn't end til 3/4 in the morning. It's this reason that we rarely, if ever, get Russian entries from beyond the Urals, the east doesn't know what the contest is because it's always on when they're asleep.
Secondly, while it may be partly in Europe, it clearly isn't culturally or socially. One foot in a lake doesn't make you a fish.
Thirdly, we hardly want to give more recognition and another stage to play on to that megalomaniac Nazarbayev, do we? He'd clearly take the contest too seriously and use it as a tool, just as Lukashenko and Aliyev did/are.
I'm all for new countries in the ESC, it basically means more songs and NFs and more entries and it all becomes more exciting. But no to Kazakhstan for me, for a few reasons.
Firstly the time difference, that's massive. The contest would be starting at midnight/one o'clock and wouldn't end til 3/4 in the morning. It's this reason that we rarely, if ever, get Russian entries from beyond the Urals, the east doesn't know what the contest is because it's always on when they're asleep.
Secondly, while it may be partly in Europe, it clearly isn't culturally or socially. One foot in a lake doesn't make you a fish.
Thirdly, we hardly want to give more recognition and another stage to play on to that megalomaniac Nazarbayev, do we? He'd clearly take the contest too seriously and use it as a tool, just as Lukashenko and Aliyev did/are.
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So lets bring whole world into Eurovision. First bring back all european country into contest and later thinking about rest. If can Kazahstan why cant Uzbekistan, that if Uzbekistan is in lets include Turkmenistan, than Qatar is great nation, Syria......
So lets bring whole world into Eurovision. First bring back all european country into contest and later thinking about rest. If can Kazahstan why cant Uzbekistan, that if Uzbekistan is in lets include Turkmenistan, than Qatar is great nation, Syria......
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I want all independent recognized geographical European countries to enter yes...
Last time I checked Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Qatar and Syria didn't even have a single geographical European part? (let alone they have none or very limited cultural, social and political connection to Europe). So basically you dismiss yourself with that comment...
Kazakhstan is more geographically European than some countries that even takes part today, it's a former USSR state which is heavily influenced by in particular Russian culture... to dismiss it is just western bias and based on prejudices and a fear of Russian diaspora voting... but with that logic let's throw out all the ex-USSR bloc then...
I want all independent recognized geographical European countries to enter yes...
Last time I checked Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Qatar and Syria didn't even have a single geographical European part? (let alone they have none or very limited cultural, social and political connection to Europe). So basically you dismiss yourself with that comment...
Kazakhstan is more geographically European than some countries that even takes part today, it's a former USSR state which is heavily influenced by in particular Russian culture... to dismiss it is just western bias and based on prejudices and a fear of Russian diaspora voting... but with that logic let's throw out all the ex-USSR bloc then...
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I didn't know only Western European culture could be accepted as "culturally or socially European"? Who decides this? Kazakhstan is probably more "culturally & socially" European than Turkey & Azerbaijan are... because it's heavily influenced by Russian society in particular (I'd say more so than Turkic culture)... but perhaps Russia is not "enough western European"? But Europe is a diverse continent, it's not limited to just some parts.
I didn't know only Western European culture could be accepted as "culturally or socially European"? Who decides this? Kazakhstan is probably more "culturally & socially" European than Turkey & Azerbaijan are... because it's heavily influenced by Russian society in particular (I'd say more so than Turkic culture)... but perhaps Russia is not "enough western European"? But Europe is a diverse continent, it's not limited to just some parts.
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EBU would probably rather let Qatar in (which is a country which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Europe) than the partly geographically aswell as Eastern European culturally Kazakhstan...
EBU would probably rather let Qatar in (which is a country which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Europe) than the partly geographically aswell as Eastern European culturally Kazakhstan...
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All central Asian ex SSSR countries are heavily influenced by Russian culture, so Kazakhstan is not exception. And on that geographically European part of Kazakhstan live very small percent of their population. And how u think to organize televoting in 5 in the morning?
All central Asian ex SSSR countries are heavily influenced by Russian culture, so Kazakhstan is not exception. And on that geographically European part of Kazakhstan live very small percent of their population. And how u think to organize televoting in 5 in the morning?
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They all have, to some extent, some more (Kazakhstan) than others (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan)...
It doesn't change the fact that they (Kazakhstan) have a geographical part of Europe that is bigger than some countries already participating, while none of the other countries you mentioned even have that.
Well that's their problem isn't it? ESC is going to start like normal at 20 or 21 CET regardless, so it's not as if that is going to be changed, so where is the problem really?
I don't really find any valid arguments against Kazakhstan entering.
The democracy argument is not valid, because we even have democracy problems in supposed "democracies" like Sweden... and yeah then some obvious examples like Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan... so it would be obviously hypocritical to allow some but not others, and again who will be the judge of what "democracy" is? A Swede that doesn't even want freedom of speech in Sweden?
The "not part of Europe" argument isn't valid because the country has a geographical European part larger than some countries that already takes part (and there's some countries that aren't even having a slight geographical European part), and it's culturally, politically and socially more a European country rather than an Asian one (YES Russia is a European culture!).
The time zone differences argument isn't valid either because nothing will change for the masses, there might be a slight problem if they would host it, but that's the only case really... if they (Kazakhs) want to sit up and watch this in the middle of the night and be able to provide a spokes-person in the early morning then that's hardly a problem for the rest of us?
They all have, to some extent, some more (Kazakhstan) than others (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan)...
It doesn't change the fact that they (Kazakhstan) have a geographical part of Europe that is bigger than some countries already participating, while none of the other countries you mentioned even have that.
Well that's their problem isn't it? ESC is going to start like normal at 20 or 21 CET regardless, so it's not as if that is going to be changed, so where is the problem really?
I don't really find any valid arguments against Kazakhstan entering.
The democracy argument is not valid, because we even have democracy problems in supposed "democracies" like Sweden... and yeah then some obvious examples like Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan... so it would be obviously hypocritical to allow some but not others, and again who will be the judge of what "democracy" is? A Swede that doesn't even want freedom of speech in Sweden?
The "not part of Europe" argument isn't valid because the country has a geographical European part larger than some countries that already takes part (and there's some countries that aren't even having a slight geographical European part), and it's culturally, politically and socially more a European country rather than an Asian one (YES Russia is a European culture!).
The time zone differences argument isn't valid either because nothing will change for the masses, there might be a slight problem if they would host it, but that's the only case really... if they (Kazakhs) want to sit up and watch this in the middle of the night and be able to provide a spokes-person in the early morning then that's hardly a problem for the rest of us?
DanielLuis
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I suppose the biggest problem for them would really be the time difference. They could broadcast it live so there's a televote and then broadcast it again the following day at 8PM or some other decent hour so everybody can see the show. The problem would be indeed if they'd host it. Most of the Kazhaks in the arena would be half asleep midway through the show
They all have, to some extent, some more (Kazakhstan) than others (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan)...
It doesn't change the fact that they (Kazakhstan) have a geographical part of Europe that is bigger than some countries already participating, while none of the other countries you mentioned even have that.
Well that's their problem isn't it? ESC is going to start like normal at 20 or 21 CET regardless, so it's not as if that is going to be changed, so where is the problem really?
I don't really find any valid arguments against Kazakhstan entering.
The democracy argument is not valid, because we even have democracy problems in supposed "democracies" like Sweden... and yeah then some obvious examples like Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan... so it would be obviously hypocritical to allow some but not others, and again who will be the judge of what "democracy" is? A Swede that doesn't even want freedom of speech in Sweden?
The "not part of Europe" argument isn't valid because the country has a geographical European part larger than some countries that already takes part (and there's some countries that aren't even having a slight geographical European part), and it's culturally, politically and socially more a European country rather than an Asian one (YES Russia is a European culture!).
The time zone differences argument isn't valid either because nothing will change for the masses, there might be a slight problem if they would host it, but that's the only case really... if they (Kazakhs) want to sit up and watch this in the middle of the night and be able to provide a spokes-person in the early morning then that's hardly a problem for the rest of us?
I suppose the biggest problem for them would really be the time difference. They could broadcast it live so there's a televote and then broadcast it again the following day at 8PM or some other decent hour so everybody can see the show. The problem would be indeed if they'd host it. Most of the Kazhaks in the arena would be half asleep midway through the show