JESC 2019

[Biscuit02]

After all this I feel really bad for Albania, that song was a masterpice and deserved so much more.

 

[HayashiM]

That would be a horrible Idea, since voting from participating Countries would be a disadvantage and noone would vote anymore.

Well, the same could apply to the actual ESC. Of course, country's televote points will be awarded no matter how many people vote, but the amount of televoters should be rather low based on this logic.

 

[Antho]

Blame France for not voting for France then. Simple.
You don't care you don't win, that's it.

No it's not working like that. The french delegation is doing everything they can to improve the results of the country at Eurovision, especially JESC. This year, they sent an original song, sang by a kind and sweet girl, with a really really good staging. They put a lot of efforts to deliver a great and energetic performance, and they should be proud of that. Still, we all know that Eurovision (especially JESC) still struggles in France, and even with all the ads, the promotion, the media coverage Carla had on FTV (french channel in charge of Eurovision in France), the appeal this contest has in Spain or in Poland will never be the same in France.

But you can't blame France for not voting for their own song. This contest shouldn't be about "who is going to cast the biggest number of votes for his own country" .. It's about the songs and the performances. I'm not even mad about Poland winning because I like Viki and her song, but your message was really, really mean. Look at Italy : the country is one of the biggest country of Europe and still, JESC is hardly getting 100.000 viewers in the country.. and you're saying that, because of that, this country shouldn't win? That's stupid. If it works like that, then we should let you play alone and all withdraw, because what's the matter of putting efforts into performing to give Europe a great show and get points if we all know who's winning in the end?

Still I can't really blame Polish or Spanish people for voting for their own countries. But this system has to be changed.

 

[Mainshow]

I for myself can agree that Poland had an above average song. Can you agree that (if not the running order manipulations, than at least) the Polish televote has a very important part in this victory?

Btw, I don't say let's get rid of the online voting system. I say let's ban voting for your own country.

It's true that the JESC has become way more popular in Poland but it's still not a "huge thing". However, the Polish entry has been quite successful before the contest so yes, it might have influenced the voting. However, it's not the Polish fault that the song was heavily backed up by the Polish people.
In 2017, people did support the Polish entry as well but it wasn't a huge hit & in the end, Poland ended up being #7 in the online voting.

I just don't like it that people seem to complain about Poland doing well on Polish people voting for Poland whilst - when Poland underperforms, doesn't qualify (which we usually do), no one seems to take these indicidants as proof that the Polish diaspora didn't have so much impact.

The Polish entry was a huge favourite straight from the beginning, anyway. Yes, the voting might have been in Poland's favour but the most important factor is still the song.

 

[Realest]

Btw. where are all the Haters from last Year who thought the EBU doesnt allow the Juries to give high Points to in order to not open the Door to real ESC a bit more?

 

[HayashiM]

It's true that the JESC has become way more popular in Poland but it's still not a "huge thing". However, the Polish entry has been quite successful before the contest so yes, it might have influenced the voting. However, it's not the Polish fault that the song was heavily backed up by the Polish people.
In 2017, people did support the Polish entry as well but it wasn't a huge hit & in the end, Poland ended up being #7 in the online voting.

I just don't like it that people seem to complain about Poland doing well on Polish people voting for Poland whilst - when Poland underperforms, doesn't qualify (which we usually do), no one seems to take these indicidants as proof that the Polish diaspora didn't have so much impact.

The Polish entry was a huge favourite straight from the beginning, anyway. Yes, the voting might have been in Poland's favour but the most important factor is still the song.

Oh I personally think that diaspora is a bulls*t argument in the usual ESC. But I complain about this particular situation.
I don't care about 2017 and Poland's 7th place, because 2017 took place in Tbilisi and not in Poland. I complain about this particular situation.

I complain about Poland doing well on Polish people voting for Poland when the contest takes place in Poland. And I complained about this even prior to the contest.

But anyway, my complaints won't change the world so I better get up and start doing something useful.
Congrats!

 

[DJNightingale]

 

[Mainshow]

Btw. where are all the Haters from last Year who thought the EBU doesnt allow the Juries to give high Points to in order to not open the Door to real ESC a bit more?

I wasn't one of them but I still believe that Jan Ola Sand and the EBU is treating Kazakhstan badly in terms of ESC and the last JESC entry from Kazakhstan was actually my favourite (and deserved to be higher) but Kazakhstan winning the jury vote was a lovely and VERY unexpected surprise!

The results from Kazakhstan and Spain were "justified" due to absolutely stunning vocals but both songs weren't that great, imo.

 

[Mainshow]

Oh I personally think that diaspora is a bulls*t argument in the usual ESC. But I complain about this particular situation.
I don't care about 2017 and Poland's 7th place, because 2017 took place in Tbilisi and not in Poland. I complain about this particular situation.

I complain about Poland doing well on Polish people voting for Poland when the contest takes place in Poland. And I complained about this even prior to the contest.

But anyway, my complaints won't change the world so I better get up and start doing something useful.
Congrats!

I personally believe that Poland doing well on Polish people voting for Poland when the contest takes place in Poland was caused by Poland submitting the most accessible entry to JESC.
If Poland has submitted a song like back in 2017, Poland might have gained another great score but probably Poland wouldn't have finished Top 3.

I know tastes differ, but I strongly believe that Poland has sent the best productions to JESC in two consecutive years (PL neither did have the best stagings nor the best vocals in those years, though).

 

[EscGeek]

wikipedia bandits at it again

 

[Realest]

 

[Mainshow]

568,000 votes for Poland isn't even that high; especially since there are more than 60 million Polish people on Earth.
If we suggest that only Polish people did vote for Poland, we can say that 0,94% of all Polish people did vote for Poland in JESC.

That said, it's VERY unlikely that only Polish people did vote for it since Poland ending up being #2 in the jury voting and the song was a huge favourite among non-Polish people prior the contest as well.

 

[Romeo]

Did anybody see the lad from Kazakhstan on the stage when all the kids ran on the stage when Viki was singing after she won?

 

[tuorem]

My thoughts on JESC 2019, for I had nothing else to do than give it a shot:

-This is definitely not for me, I've never been into contests involving children and the show didn't change my mind.
-The only thing I will remember is Mila Moskov. I see a bright future for her and want her in Eurovision ASAP. Thank you.
-Due to Mila's slayage, I was forced to vote for North Macedonia, so I picked France (it actually wasn't that bad in the lineup) and Belarus (I liked the vibe of the song) to complete my vote.

Results-wise:

-Mila's sixth place is what she deserved! Very happy for her! She was my winner.
-Portugal rocking those televote points was a moment The song wasn't worse than others, but the lack of staging was scandalous. Poor Joana!
-It hurt to see Kazakhstan do so well with juries while they deserved it much much more last year imo. Juries are always tragic anyway.
-When Spain received 104pts, I was like "okay, so they might win eventually?", but my body wasn't ready for the "Poland receives 160350 points" That was kind of hilarious tbh. It reminded me of Bilal winning in Destination Eurovision.
-I don't have much to say about Poland winning: I found the song forgettable and the performance wasn't anything special either, in this regard it's a nice "Arcade" counterpart. No shade but shade. Roksana and her song were way superior on every level imo, her live performance today confirmed that for me.

Regarding the discussion about the voting system, Poland won fair and square of course, but it doesn't take rocket science to understand that being able to vote for free and for one's own country leads to strategic voting somehow. There is such a deficit of interest in JESC that it's hard to aspire to a better system without sacrificing the little interest it has right now. It will be interesting to see what happens next year in this regard. What I find sad in this is that - from the vibe I got online - many people seemed to have voted according to chances of success rather than according to the music on offer. It kind of defeats the purpose of the show imo.

 

[HayashiM]

My thoughts on JESC 2019, for I had nothing else to do than give it a shot:

Yeah, Bilal's victory, that moment flashed through my mind as well It's almost bound to happen with some entry when you have this "percentage converted into points" system.

was absolutely fantastic live! I could see her in Eurovision too.

 

[BorisBubbles]

oh and ftr this was my post-show ranking

North Macedonia
Poland
Ukraine
France
Armenia
Wales
Spain
the Netherlands
Serbia
Georgia
Belarus
Ireland
Kazakhstan
Portugal
Italy
Russia
Malta
Albania
Australia

Good, but jesc has seen better!!

 

[Mainshow]

My post-show ranking looks like this:

#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6
#7
#8
#9
#10
#11
#12
#13
#14 ::wl
#15
#16
#17
#18
#19

Thus, I'm still very satisfied with the overall outcome.

 

[VirginiaVision]

I haven't seen anyone on here mention that both Ireland and Australia are airing the contest on a delay... maybe that has something to do with Ireland flopping?

 

[NikolaiMoller]

Ireland, Armenia, Ukraine, Malta and Albania underrated

 

[njdevils94]

I haven't seen anyone on here mention that both Ireland and Australia are airing the contest on a delay... maybe that has something to do with Ireland flopping?

No Tg4 have GAA coverage every week in the fall on sundays so that's why it is not live. The people that wanted to vote for Ireland will have watched the youtube feed anyway.