JESC 2019

[HayashiM]

My last words about the televote situation: you are a rather populated country in the contest, you host the contest (so you are bound to have a bigger public awareness about the event), you can vote for yourself, you can decide the running order, well of course there is at least some statistical dependency when you eventually win the contest Denying it is purely delusional.

Btw this is not against , but rather against the system itself. So anyway, congratulations.

 

[Gogerko]

Again, this is France's problem if they aren't interested.

NOP! It's the voting system problem,. Voting for yourself is ridiculous.

 

[BorisBubbles]

Codswallop. Poland never would've won if they had a poor song. "Superheroes" was good and deserved to win over DON'T CARE HOW, I WANT IT NOW-zakhstan.

The current televote system is shit though. It naturally benefits any country that rakes in high views (Poland, France, Spain, Netherlands) or any entry that gains momentum from being a preshow fave. We can all whine about POLAND!!! RIGGING!!! but like, Spanish fans were actively trying to get everyone to spam-vote for Spain and 2 "bad" entries, so I'm not quite sure who holds the actual moral high ground here. It should change

However, that does not discount Poland's victory over Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan tried way too hard to win and well... if you desire something then perhaps you should make it less obvious you want it? It was our annual dose of jury evil and i'm happy it was slain :-)

 

[Gera11]

Woah good job

 

[simonPL]

Without online voting, Poland is still 2nd. Juries who gave us those points were Polish as well?
And the winner is Kazakhstan. Not France. Not Spain. People would have moan as well.

Kazakhstan was great TBH.
Poland had the best song, performance was kinda poor (visually, as always).

Anyway, I can understand the point of the people who complan about voting system, but it's not like surprising winner. Viki was one of the favourites from the very beginning.

 

[MalagaToledo]

Omg, you are discussing about kids festival. Just let it go. I didn't even know ppl watch kids festival anymore.

 

[blue00eyes]

Afterall is just for fun.

I survived 2017 winning, survived Netta's Toy, so you can survive winning child contest

 

[MalagaToledo]

Afterall is just for fun.

I survived 2017 winning, survived Netta's Toy, so you can survive winning child contest

You were referring to me? I couldn't care less who will win in kids festival. I'm trying to calm down after someone I don't like in real esc wins, so I don't take anything serious sbt jesc, cause its just a festival for kids.

 

[Biscuit02]

Btw congrats , you won and that is that, but still the EBU should change the system to at least make it so that you can't vote for your own country, because that is just too much.

 

[Ana Raquel]

Anyway, comparing both Polish victories, I would choose Viki any time over Roksana. I've never understood the hype of Anyone I want to be and it was a victory that felt so ???????? to me - despite roxie having a lot of star quality. at least, despite the underwhelming staging, the song was one of the best this year - which, in my opinion, is easily my least favorite jesc year.

and self voting has always been an issue so it's kinda strange to see all of those complaints when a romani girl wins

 

[Mainshow]

The thing is that the online voting is the BEST solution for JESC to come up with a public vote.

Countries such as Albania already struggle to provide a televoting result in real Eurovision. JESC is way less popular and I'm pretty sure that apart from friends, family and maybe some die-hardcore Eurovision fans, no one would pay actual money to vote for kids.

Being "forced" to vote for 3 to 5 countries is a great way to prevent that "Voting for your own country" has too much impact.
Poland ended up #7 and Malta #2 in 2017 in the online voting.

Can we just agree that Poland had a VERY good song in the first place which deserved to win? - The live performance might not have been that great but the song itself was the most modern and most accessible one. It had mass appeal. It's radio-friendly, well-produced, catchy, fun, interesting but not artsy-fartsy.
Also, let's not pretend that #2 in the jury votes didn't happen. We had adults and kids voting. It was a well-deserved win.

It's not our problem that other entries tried too much to be vocally impressive, musical-esque or whatever. In Eurovision, the most accessible songs usually can win as well, see Norway 2009, Germany 2010, Azerbaijan 2011, Sweden 2012, Denmark 2013, Sweden 2015, Israel 2018.... and if a quality entry like Ukraine 2016 or Portugal 2017 wins, everyone seems to complain about it as well.

 

[HayashiM]

Codswallop. Poland never would've won if they had a poor song. "Superheroes" was good and deserved to win over DON'T CARE HOW, I WANT IT NOW-zakhstan.

The current televote system is shit though. It naturally benefits any country that rakes in high views (Poland, France, Spain, Netherlands) or any entry that gains momentum from being a preshow fave. We can all whine about POLAND!!! RIGGING!!! but like, Spanish fans were actively trying to get everyone to spam-vote for Spain and 2 "bad" entries, so I'm not quite sure who holds the actual moral high ground here. It should change

However, that does not discount Poland's victory over Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan tried way too hard to win and well... if you desire something then perhaps you should make it less obvious you want it? It was our annual dose of jury evil and i'm happy it was slain :-)

's song is a Let it go rip off. However the televote ranked him 5th, so this is not just a dose of jury evil
The Spanish posts I saw were pretty annoying, but I think we can only guess how many people that actually covers and how much of a reach did they get.

All in all I agree, this televote system should change.

 

[blue00eyes]

You were referring to me? I couldn't care less who will win in kids festival. I'm trying to calm down after someone I don't like in real esc wins, so I don't take anything serious sbt jesc, cause its just a festival for kids.

No, not to you particularly. I just came here to defend my country, anyone else would do so.. Have a nice evening!

 

[HayashiM]

and self voting has always been an issue so it's kinda strange to see all of those complaints when a romani girl wins

[MENTION=16789]Biscuit02[/MENTION] and I have been complaining about this already a few days prior to the contest in this very thread.

 

[Loindici]

How many fans are actually there watching the contest? I mean, when most video clips were on 100k, 2.7m on Viki's video clip can explain the momentum clearly.

Not saying Viki's winning was undeserved, because that song is great. However, these types of voting will most of the time benefit countries with higher JESC interest rates, and the bias rate would always be high. If it is necessary, I'm open to paid voting to be back again, or props if EBU can create an online voting system with location block.

 

[HayashiM]

The thing is that the online voting is the BEST solution for JESC to come up with a public vote.

Countries such as Albania already struggle to provide a televoting result in real Eurovision. JESC is way less popular and I'm pretty sure that apart from friends, family and maybe some die-hardcore Eurovision fans, no one would pay actual money to vote for kids.

Being "forced" to vote for 3 to 5 countries is a great way to prevent that "Voting for your own country" has too much impact.
Poland ended up #7 and Malta #2 in 2017 in the online voting.

Can we just agree that Poland had a VERY good song in the first place which deserved to win? - The live performance might not have been that great but the song itself was the most modern and most accessible one. It had mass appeal. It's radio-friendly, well-produced, catchy, fun, interesting but not artsy-fartsy.
Also, let's not pretend that #2 in the jury votes didn't happen. We had adults and kids voting. It was a well-deserved win.

It's not our problem that other entries tried too much to be vocally impressive, musical-esque or whatever. In Eurovision, the most accessible songs usually can win as well, see Norway 2009, Germany 2010, Azerbaijan 2011, Sweden 2012, Denmark 2013, Sweden 2015, Israel 2018.... and if a quality entry like Ukraine 2016 or Portugal 2017 wins, everyone seems to complain about it as well.

I for myself can agree that Poland had an above average song. Can you agree that (if not the running order manipulations, than at least) the Polish televote has a very important part in this victory?

Btw, I don't say let's get rid of the online voting system. I say let's ban voting for your own country.

 

[blue00eyes]

My idea is to keep the voting for your own country (to gain interest and all) but give it a lower value - 0,25 instead of 1 for example..

 

[Realest]

According to some people here, Countries with a big Viewership are not allowed to win by principle even if it gets the most "neutral" Points like Poland did this Year by far.

 

[Realest]

Btw, I don't say let's get rid of the online voting system. I say let's ban voting for your own country.

That would be a horrible Idea, since voting from participating Countries would be a disadvantage and noone would vote anymore.

 

[HayashiM]

My idea is to keep the voting for your own country (to gain interest and all) but give it a lower value - 0,25 instead of 1 for example..

I will have to think that through, but I think I could live with that.