Italy ITALY 2019 - Mahmood - Soldi

[Ana Raquel]

ultimo is ultimate trash
water is wet

 

[Alaska49]

he is so embarrassing. my 4 yo niece is more capable of critical thought than this. you know what you were getting into and nothing hints at any form of jury corruption, so... ywah, the statement juries wanted to make wasn't yours. dust yourself off and try again instead of potentially ruining your image over this. this is not gymnastics, you are not viktoria komova, stop fucking wailing over a silver medal. the end.

the person who came out of the best out of this mess is of course my wonderful dreamboat irama, who reacted to his ignominious fate at sanremo by posting two shirtless pics and saying he was happy merely to get his song and his message out there. flawless like a unicorn. i have decided to stan forever.

 

[Edweis]

I won't lie, I don't understand the hype about this song. The lyrics and theme are good, this I can't deny, however I don't find his voice really enjoyable. In the verses it doesn't bother me much, they're actually my favorite part of the song, but once it comes to the chorus... the rythm is killed.

It may grow on me (it already did), but for now I give a 6

 

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[sucof]

Ultimo news :-)

his version of the facts

a bad joke before Sanremo

 

[oxy333]

Ok, here's an input from someone whose boyfriend is Italian and hears stuff... The thing is, Italy is currently in a political mess. Most migrants that come to European shores, come to Italy. Consequently, Italians have become very anti-immigrant and xenophobic, even. This is proven by the fact the current, recently elected goverment is made of a coalitian that is very anti-immigrant and often makes racist remarks. They even want all Roma people to be deported from the country! The reason why Mahmood got so many little votes from the Italian people watching at home is - he is half Egyptian.

This is just a lie. Ermal Meta is albanian but was acclaimed by people. We live in a historical period where we can not say that a song sucks if it is not a western artist of 3-4 generations otherwise we will be accused of racism The only politics in there is the game of few people of the jury that have too much "influence" in all the voting system. This year the final voting changed, 50% televoting and 50% ("giuria d'onore" + press), no more demoscopi jury (music expert), and the so called "giuria d'onore" was formed by actors, chef, vips, none of them is musical expert.
Mahmood simple doesn't bring a good song, form me isn't even in top10 of this Sanremo. And, angain, if it wasn't for the jury, Loredana Bertè it would have been in top3. Mahmood, Alessandro Mahmood, could even came from Val Brembana and sing "Soldi" in milanese dialect, 14% stay the same.

Italians does't care about ESC, the winner of Sanremo is never chosen on the basis of the representation he will have at Eurovision.

Soldi, for me, is soo bad that I realy hope Mahmood will change it, but the gustibus non est disputandum, could even won the Eurovision, who knows

 

[Euterpa]

This is just a lie. Ermal Meta is albanian but was acclaimed by people. We live in a historical period where we can not say that a song sucks if it is not a western artist of 3-4 generations otherwise we will be accused of racism The only politics in there is the game of few people of the jury that have too much "influence" in all the voting system. This year the final voting changed, 50% televoting and 50% ("giuria d'onore" + press), no more demoscopi jury (music expert), and the so called "giuria d'onore" was formed by actors, chef, vips, none of them is musical expert.
Mahmood simple doesn't bring a good song, form me isn't even in top10 of this Sanremo. And, angain, if it wasn't for the jury, Loredana Bertè it would have been in top3. Mahmood, Alessandro Mahmood, could even came from Val Brembana and sing "Soldi" in milanese dialect, 14% stay the same.

Italians does't care about ESC, the winner of Sanremo is never chosen on the basis of the representation he will have at Eurovision.

Soldi, for me, is soo bad that I realy hope Mahmood will change it, but the gustibus non est disputandum, could even won the Eurovision, who knows

That the song is boring is your personal opinion. For me, it was by far the best song in the competition. In fact, after the first evening - it was the only song that wasn't boring to me. And Loredana - I was changing the channel when she was singing, her singing was terrible. Good song, bad voice. If you have any doubt that many people didn't vote for him because of his ancestry, just take a look at the comments on social media.

 

[astatine86]

Can anyone be so kind and sum up what he was saying? Grazie mille!

 

[Cyberbliss]

Ok, here's an input from someone whose boyfriend is Italian and hears stuff... The thing is, Italy is currently in a political mess. Most migrants that come to European shores, come to Italy. Consequently, Italians have become very anti-immigrant and xenophobic, even. This is proven by the fact the current, recently elected goverment is made of a coalitian that is very anti-immigrant and often makes racist remarks. They even want all Roma people to be deported from the country! The reason why Mahmood got so many little votes from the Italian people watching at home is - he is half Egyptian. The comments in Italian on YouTube are ugly. I've seen 0 negative Italian comments that are targeting the song. Negative comments are targeting Mahmood, the fact that he is of "Arab origin". They are attacking him, and they don't even know where's he from. They claim he wants to make Islam more attractive to them because he mentions Ramadan in his song. Some insulted him based on his "Morocco roots". They don't listen to the song at all, they don't hear his real message. They have no idea that his mother is Italian and that he is born and raised in Milan. It doesn't matter to them. When my boyfriend was telling me that fascism is rising in Italy, I didn't believe him. I didn't want to believe him. Unfortunately, here we are. I usually don't like to get into political stuff, but...the politics is the biggest reason for this...

The truth is always in the middle. You're partially right: we live in a messed up country. The far right movement which is now at the government keeps people busy giving all the faults of Italian crisis to migrants. BUT, they are not the problem: a good 40% of the population is forced to believe so. Hence the hatred against Mahmood This is a very short sum up, but I won't focus on this matter, being this a music forum.

Obviously, not all Italians are so dumb, and I bet you won't find one when it comes to Eurovision. Thank God here people judge only the song, and you can like it or not, and not the artist.

 

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[nofuxCZ]

I am now completely hooked on this song. For me, the best italian entry since their return. And there have been lots of good entries from Italy

 

[Cyberbliss]

Can anyone be so kind and sum up what he was saying? Grazie mille!

To sum up very shortly: they are talking about how he got into Sanremo (a short lifespan of his career), about his reaction at the announcement of the win, and about the album coming out on March 1st.

 

[Euterpa]

The truth is always in the middle. You're partially right: we live in a messed up country. The far right movement which is now at the government keeps people busy giving all the faults of Italian crisis to migrants. BUT, they are not the problem: a good 40% of the population is forced to believe so. Hence the hatred against Mahmood This is a very short sum up, but I won't focus on this matter, being this a music forum.

Obviously, not all Italians are so dumb, and I bet you won't find one when it comes to Eurovision. Thank God here people judge only the song, and you can like it or not, and not the artist.

That's true, I agree with you. I didn't say that all people who didn't want to vote for him is because of who he is, of course, there are those who simply didn't like the song and that's ok. But when an artist is so low with the televote and so high with the juries, you know that something is not right, and the problem is either (partly) in the jury or (partly) in the televote. 14% for Mahmood is unreal, the song really deserved more. I guess it also didn't help Mahmood that he is a new face, whereas Ultimo has a large fan base, if I understood that right. Either way, Mahmood is a deserved winner. I really think we'll see Italy in top 3 again, if not winning.

 

[Schlagerman1]

This is just a lie. Ermal Meta is albanian but was acclaimed by people. We live in a historical period where we can not say that a song sucks if it is not a western artist of 3-4 generations otherwise we will be accused of racism The only politics in there is the game of few people of the jury that have too much "influence" in all the voting system. This year the final voting changed, 50% televoting and 50% ("giuria d'onore" + press), no more demoscopi jury (music expert), and the so called "giuria d'onore" was formed by actors, chef, vips, none of them is musical expert.
Mahmood simple doesn't bring a good song, form me isn't even in top10 of this Sanremo. And, angain, if it wasn't for the jury, Loredana Bertè it would have been in top3. Mahmood, Alessandro Mahmood, could even came from Val Brembana and sing "Soldi" in milanese dialect, 14% stay the same.

Italians does't care about ESC, the winner of Sanremo is never chosen on the basis of the representation he will have at Eurovision.

Soldi, for me, is soo bad that I realy hope Mahmood will change it, but the gustibus non est disputandum, could even won the Eurovision, who knows

I am sure that [MENTION=15215]Euterpa[/MENTION] didn't make the same "accusation" for people here on the forum. What he meant I believe is that there is a lot of racism, not only in Italy, it is in Sweden, Denmark, France, Australia, Russia, Serbia and so on, all over the world. It's not only from all kinds of hard right-wing groups, but also from normal people that has too much free time and feeling disturbed in some way in life and write stupid crap in the comments to some songs, just to make them feel better themselves (which doesn't help, but they think it does). I am sure many dislikes this song, and I understand it completly, it is a rather different song, both for San Remo and for Eurovision, it isn't something we would normally see in either contest. On the forum we are trying to be respectful to be each other. Sometimes our feelings towards the contest we love makes us write stupid stuff too, and it happens to me as well, we all are just humans and we all have our faults and reasons to why it happens.

For example, I just can't stand the Montenegrin song, it is in genre I have never liked and never will and that is it. I don't go to RTCG or D-Moll and write that they are stupid for singing their song and that they should go hide in a corner somewhere and never show themselves again, or make some bad joke about their heritage or something. That is not necessary, that makes me just hurt their feelings and that is not okay.

 

[Cyberbliss]

But when an artist is so low with the televote and so high with the juries, you know that something is not right, and the problem is either (partly) in the jury or (partly) in the televote.

There may be no balance between juries, but everyone knew that before the show started. If you give a certain jury power to decide, you then expect the results to be significantly modified. Ultimo has a very large fan base but his song was considered average by journalists since the very beginning, whilst Mahmood was deemed as fresh and unusual. I was expecting the juries to prefer him instead of Ultimo, during those crazy top 3 moments. As I said before, I wasn't expecting Mahmood top 3, but I'm only happy it happened.

 

[oxy333]

That the song is boring is your personal opinion. For me, it was by far the best song in the competition. In fact, after the first evening - it was the only song that wasn't boring to me. And Loredana - I was changing the channel when she was singing, her singing was terrible. Good song, bad voice. If you have any doubt that many people didn't vote for him because of his ancestry, just take a look at the comments on social media.

Yeah, if you can read, I wrote "for me". Your taste are just your taste, just like mine and all the people who spend money televoting other artists
Social media? Youtubers? yes, I've looked there too, and there is some idiots who think that Mahmood wasn't voted, not for his weak song but for his egypitian half, just because they have a really short mind to remember: Anna Oxa, Sergio Sylvestre, Ermal Meta, Malika Ayane... XD most of italians doesn't even knew who was Mahmood until last night, I see them going to read his biografy before voting LOL
People simply babbling of nonsense.

 

[oxy333]

I am sure that [MENTION=15215]Euterpa[/MENTION] didn't make the same "accusation" for people here on the forum. What he meant I believe is that there is a lot of racism, not only in Italy, it is in Sweden, Denmark, France, Australia, Russia, Serbia and so on, all over the world. It's not only from all kinds of hard right-wing groups, but also from normal people that has too much free time and feeling disturbed in some way in life and write stupid crap in the comments to some songs, just to make them feel better themselves (which doesn't help, but they think it does). I am sure many dislikes this song, and I understand it completly, it is a rather different song, both for San Remo and for Eurovision, it isn't something we would normally see in either contest. On the forum we are trying to be respectful to be each other. Sometimes our feelings towards the contest we love makes us write stupid stuff too, and it happens to me as well, we all are just humans and we all have our faults and reasons to why it happens.

For example, I just can't stand the Montenegrin song, it is in genre I have never liked and never will and that is it. I don't go to RTCG or D-Moll and write that they are stupid for singing their song and that they should go hide in a corner somewhere and never show themselves again, or make some bad joke about their heritage or something. That is not necessary, that makes me just hurt their feelings and that is not okay.

People here doesn't know anything about what happens in other countries, except maybe of what they read in newspaper online and this is not the place to talk about this. Racism is everywere from the dawn of time, more or less. There is no need to bring up the term "racism" everytime that there is some artist non-western criticized.
When Emma was chosen to partecipate to ESC a big amount of haters insulted her on social media, and I say this even not being a fan o her. If she was moroccan, for example, racism! Racism!
Haters cling to every excuse to attack. And even those exist from the very beginning of social media. I read comments about Mahmood on fb, twitter, yt, almost all of them attack RAI, the poor guy was engulfed into a mess created by the juries and the press.

 

[Euterpa]

I am not someone who usually points to racism when there is none. For example, when Serena Williams was pointing to it, I saw none. I just pointed out the current political climate in Italy, it's not great, that's for sure. And unlike Serena who was completely making up whole racism thing, there were really some comments made about Mahmood. Now, I really don't want to make this a discussion about politics. I am glad that Mahmood isn't paying attention to the drama, he seemed happy yesterday evening in that show. From now on, I won't discuss the political part of this, I just want to enjoy the song and the competition.

 

[astatine86]

Apparently he's just given an interview for some radio station and said he's still unsure if he wants to do ESC or not. I can't. Please.

 

[GlamSIMorous]

Apparently he's just given an interview for some radio station and said he's still unsure if he wants to do ESC or not. I can't. Please.

Dont .. do .. this .. to .. me. Please, so many people love it!