Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!​

 

[I bims]

Hey, I'm worse. I keep thinking Moroccan Oil is both Moroccan and an oil company (as in petroleum) then learning it is really just haircare products, before I eventually forget this and have to go through the cycle all over again.

SCREAMING SAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!!!!
Im always like oh well I was today years old when I learnt morocco is an oil rich country,,,,,,,,,,

I feel so seen right now

 

[jatojo]

Hey, I'm worse. I keep thinking Moroccan Oil is both Moroccan and an oil company (as in petroleum) then learning it is really just haircare products, before I eventually forget this and have to go through the cycle all over again.

It's great that you provide this information before Greta Thunberg glues herself to the company's facade in protest against their harmful production of fossil fuels.

 

[crashworld]

It's great that you provide this information before Greta Thunberg glues herself to the company's facade in protest against their harmful production of fossil fuels.

But we would like to see Greta plastering herself everywhere. That would have been comedy gold.

As to the Eurovoix's statement, they can do whatever they want as they deemed fit.
At this stage, it's a "easier" way to take the moral high ground.

 

[Marcos C]

Eurovisionfun has published an article about last night's episode of HaKokhav HaBa. The article includes videos of the performances of the three contestants who advanced to the next round.

Israel: Everything that happened in the first episode of HaKokhav HaBa! - Eurovision News | Music | Fun

HaKokhav HaBa, the show through which Israel will choose its representative for Eurovision 2024, premiered on Monday night, November 20. With a special edition, due to the critical situation the country is experiencing, HaKokhav HaBa is being held this year. On Monday night we had the broadcast...

eurovisionfun.com

The next episode of HaKokhav HaBa will air on Wednesday at 22:00 Israel Standard Time on Keshet 12.

 

[soundofsilence]

Eurovisionfun has published an article about last night's episode of HaKokhav HaBa. The article includes videos of the performances of the three contestants who advanced to the next round.

Israel: Everything that happened in the first episode of HaKokhav HaBa! - Eurovision News | Music | Fun

HaKokhav HaBa, the show through which Israel will choose its representative for Eurovision 2024, premiered on Monday night, November 20. With a special edition, due to the critical situation the country is experiencing, HaKokhav HaBa is being held this year. On Monday night we had the broadcast...

eurovisionfun.com

The next episode of HaKokhav HaBa will air on Wednesday at 22:00 Israel Standard Time on Keshet 12.

I go drunk and didn't watch I
What happened

 

[Marcos C]

What happened

I haven't found anything about the second episode of HaKokhav HaBa.

What I do know is that at least two Eurovision news sites (Eurovoix and ESCXTRA) are not giving updates on Israel's national selection until the country definitively selects its representative to ESC 2024. When that happens, they will post short, factual articles with the name of the artist and the title of the song.

Here is the statement from ESCXTRA.

Statement regarding HaKokhav HaBa on behalf of ESCXTRA.com - ESCXTRA.com

The following statement is a joint statement by the ESCXTRA.com Team Since October 7th, we are witne

escxtra.com

 

[soundofsilence]

I haven't found anything about the second episode of HaKokhav HaBa.

What I do know is that at least two Eurovision news sites (Eurovoix and ESCXTRA) are not giving updates on Israel's national selection until the country definitively selects its representative to ESC 2024. When that happens, they will post short, factual articles with the name of the artist and the title of the song.

Here is the statement from ESCXTRA.

Statement regarding HaKokhav HaBa on behalf of ESCXTRA.com - ESCXTRA.com

The following statement is a joint statement by the ESCXTRA.com Team Since October 7th, we are witne

escxtra.com

But it's fine when Ukraine does it
Hypocrisy

 

[Looren]

But it's fine when Ukraine does it
Hypocrisy

Ukraine never had NF participants dressed as soldiers tho

 

[Mainshow]

Ukraine never had NF participants dressed as soldiers tho

"Neutral" Switzerland did, though


So yes, it's hypocrisy.

 

[Looren]

"Neutral" Switzerland did, though

I don't recall them having soldiers on stage ? Please refresh my memory xD

 

[Mainshow]

They should have waited until the first episode to air...
I hate Eurofans to be naive as hell.
We can't make fundamental events around Europe and other participating countries go away so that they "don't interfere with our beloved contest".
The EBU will clearly not allow artists dressed in uniform to perform (e.g. Switzerland 2013) but we've had people dressed in uniform or actual soldiers hitting the stage before and Eurovoix still reported on these countries/National finals

(soldier/military references and footage in the postcard)

I'll not comment on how some hosts tried to convey a political agenda on millions of Eurovision viewers (tanks on the stage + a whole military choir in uniform in Moscow or a avantgarde dance group portraying the struggling and drowning of refugees in the Mediterranean Sea and asking the European audience "to take them in" in Stockholm) or Eurovision incidents from Icelandic, Armenian, Ukrainian, Portuguese artists on Eurovision camera or at the press centre and they continued reporting on Hatari, Iveta, Kalush Orchestra, Salvador.

They could have silently refrained from reporting on each and every tiny aspect of the Israeli participation this year (and just focus on the actual results of every heat) but now, without waiting for the first episode, they somehow look kinda pathetic.

I don't recall them having soldiers on stage ? Please refresh my memory xD

^^ I just posted it on the previous page.

The "Heilsarmee" performed in official uniforms back in 2013 and won the NF.
The EBU demanded them to change their outfits for their performance in Malmö.
(members of the "Heilsarmee" are called generals, soldiers etc. they assign corps and have military/army structures) - I know it's different since they do not "fight" with weapons.. but an official uniform is still a uniform - especially if they show the rank of the "soldier" to viewers.

Thus, uniforms can be portrayed/shown in NF`s - the EBU will ban them from entering the stage in May, though - unless they change their outfits... and if they do so, no rule is about to be broken and hence, not reporting on Israel because of that reason is pathetic - especially if they haven't banned on reporting on ESC 2009 (when we actually had real soldiers in official uniforms on stage) or Switzerland 2013 either...

 

[Looren]

^^ I just posted it on the previous page.

The "Heilsarmee" performed in official uniforms back in 2013 and won the NF.
The EBU demanded them to change their outfits for their performance in Malmö.
(members of the "Heilsarmee" are called generals, soldiers etc. they assign corps and have military/army structures) - I know it's different since they do not "fight" with weapons.. but an official uniform is still a uniform - especially if they show the rank of the "soldier" to viewers.

Well yeah I don't like that tbh, but it's great that they changed the outfits for their performance in Malmö

Also the reason of ESCXtra and Eurovoix is that the NF might be used as military propaganda tool by KAN so I totally get their statements tbh, I don't know if they had the same statements for the Swiss entry in 2013 but yeah Switzerland wasn't gonna use their entry as propaganda tool

They could've waited to see the first episode yeah, but I get their statement

 

[Mainshow]

Well yeah I don't like that tbh, but it's great that they changed the outfits for their performance in Malmö

Also the reason of ESCXtra and Eurovoix is that the NF might be used as military propaganda tool by KAN so I totally get their statements tbh, I don't know if they had the same statements for the Swiss entry in 2013 but yeah Switzerland wasn't gonna use their entry as propaganda tool

They could've waited to see the first episode yeah, but I get their statement

But we don't know whether Israel will use their entry as a propaganda tool.
It's an assumption made by Eurofans who support Palestine (the latter part is totally fine and it's their right to do so. I just think that deciding to not report on the Israeli NF because of a clip without knowing the entries/songs is just way too overblown).
We've had "propaganda" entries in Eurovision before (e.g. Armenia 2015, ruZZia 2015) and they still reported on these events (granted, they didn't perform in uniform).

They should have waited the first episode and even then... it would be really questionable since we had other NF's supporting military/social/political issues and events (and we saw uniforms before... also in postcards or short clips)

It will be interesting to see whether the finalists will be competing in uniform and be singing about "taking over the West Bank" or "destroying Gaza" and how it's justified, though... I guess that's what Eurovoix seem to expect from this year's entry.

 

[Looren]

But we don't know whether Israel will use their entry as a propaganda tool.
It's an assumption made by Eurofans who support Palestine (the latter part is totally fine and it's their right to do so. I just think that deciding to not report on the Israeli NF because of a clip without knowing the entries/songs is just way too overblown).
We've had "propaganda" entries in Eurovision before (e.g. Armenia 2015, ruZZia 2015) and they still reported on these events (granted, they didn't perform in uniform).

They should have waited the first episode and even then... it would be really questionable since we had other NF's supporting military/social/political issues and events (and we saw uniforms before... also in postcards or short clips)

It will be interesting to see whether the finalists will be competing in uniform and be singing about "taking over the West Bank" or "destroying Gaza" and how it's justified, though... I guess that's what Eurovoix seem to expect from this year's entry.

I do agree with your points, it's probably judging too soon and yeah we sadly also had political entries in the past so that makes it all even harder to judge what should be reported on and what should not be

But I think we can also understand Eurovoix and ESCXtra's worries, I do think they have solid points there too

 

[Mainshow]

^^ yeah, totally.

But right now, they are "just" worries and not "reality" and that's why I think that "boycotting" reporting on it whilst being one of the biggest Eurovision fan pages (and probably getting accreditation to report on the ESC in Malmö) is quite "un"professional (I know they are individual fans) but the EBU should really reconsider giving away accreditation to "press" when they decide to boycott a whole NF because they are "worried the Israeli entry would be some kind of propaganda".

I know it's a tricky situation and as individuals, they can decide whatever they want - I just believe it was pathetic to decide on that BEFORE the first show and WITHOUT knowing the potential Eurovision entries.. and again, the EBU will tell them to not be dressed in uniform anway and Eurovoix hasn't stopped on reporting on other NFs or entries or ESCs before (the ones with political songs, uniforms on stage or postcards or countries which faced or carried out military actons and it recent years, we had a few of them).

As a fan who likes to visit Eurovoix the most (I think it's the best ESC-related fanpage/news out there), I'm utterly disappointed and can't support that decision at this point.
It would have been completely different if they started to sing very patriotic songs now glorifying war or talking about Gaza etc. but Eurovoix hadn't known anything at that point and drew a conclusion because of their own "feelings" - these feelings might be legit but as one of the biggest Eurovision fan media (who gets accreditation), it's simply disappointing.
Actually, they are also mixing politics into Eurovision.

Anyway, I haven't seen the episodes so far (because I'm not keen on following talent shows without knowing the actual Eurovision entries), so who knows... maybe Eurovoix were right but since they do not report on it.. how will we know about it?

 

[crashworld]

But actually, the lack of coverage could be good in the sense that the contestants of the NF could at least compete with lesser noise from the Pro-Palestine ESC fans (who follow NF level) and hence less scrutiny and stress.

Another way to look at it is, we can just treat this as an internal selection.

 

[pardoESC]

new episode of "HaKokhav HaBa." is coming up

 

[LivingOrganism]

To be honest, politics aside, I don't know if Israel participating this year is a very good choice. A huge arena with the Israeli delegation and Isreali fans just screams "Hamas, bomb me!". Like I said, it has nothing to do with politics, I'm just worried about the security. Especially since Sweden has a lot of issues with jihadists at the moment.

I know that similar things were being said two years ago, because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but the jihadists threat is much more serious and realistic in my opinion. I just don't want Eurovision to turn into a centre of a terrorist attack.

 

[Mainshow]

Israel can take part like Australia did during the pandemic.

 

[pardoESC]

To be honest, politics aside, I don't know if Israel participating this year is a very good choice. A huge arena with the Israeli delegation and Isreali fans just screams "Hamas, bomb me!". Like I said, it has nothing to do with politics, I'm just worried about the security. Especially since Sweden has a lot of issues with jihadists at the moment.

I know that similar things were being said two years ago, because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but the jihadists threat is much more serious and realistic in my opinion. I just don't want Eurovision to turn into a centre of a terrorist attack.

It's a problem, whatever the EBU decides, can be effect of war.
So she decided to remain neutral and let Israel participate

For Israel, another representative, this is an excellent way to send a representative to Eurovision. It's a great "explanatory weapon".


And Israel will try to take advantage of the fact that right now the stakes are in their favor and I'm pretty sure they won't walk the tight line too much in the war, they know that anything like that can destroy a year in which there is a chance of victory. And for Israel it is important that precisely in time of war, to show representation, to show that Israel is still strong, not only in itself but in front of the rest of the world.