Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!​

 

[Charly]

Lady lasagna admitted himself that he is big admirer of kaarija and Rammstein. It's not just me but every single euro fan in Europe knows it's a ripp of kaarijas song and many other songs. Like he basically admitted he used espectro song of DJ Vega and also he used party in my head of Swedish band pain or at least he was heavily inspired. He admitted he knows about the band. If you want to pretend rimdagidim is most original thing you heard. Fine. But delusional. You know very well I'm right and I only speak facts and truth.

You are very obsessed with Baby Lasagna

 

[PolarFoxxie.]

You are very obsessed with Baby Lasagna

Ohhh nice. Someone from Africa is a fan of Eurovision. Maybe there will be in the future Eurovision Africa edition. I would be so happy for you guys. Stay tuned.

 

[heke1988]

You are very obsessed with Baby Lasagna

@PolarFoxxie. is just a troll, so don't give any attention, what @PolarFoxxie. is writing.

 

[han-g]

Ohhh nice. Someone from Africa is a fan of Eurovision. Maybe there will be in the future Eurovision Africa edition. I would be so happy for you guys. Stay tuned.

Morocco already competed before, they're in the ebu broadcasting area so just like Israel they can participate in eurovision should they want to.

 

[CC92]

The broadcaster didn't breach the rules.
Israel got the same chances like Belarus 2021, Georgia 2009, Armenia 2015 to change the song/the lyrics/song title.

I like to level criticism at the EBU as well and it's fair to criticise them for letting countries facing wars or being involved in wars to participate but judging by the rules, there are no double standards on the Israeli participation so far.

What had Russia's Channel One done wrong before they were expelled?

 

[I bims]

What had Russia's Channel One done wrong before they were expelled?

It's state-controlled

 

[han-g]

What had Russia's Channel One done wrong before they were expelled?

Nothing, the reason they were excluded from 2022 is because Ukraine, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, Finland, Sweden, Norway and possibly more all contacted the ebu and said they would withdraw if Russia participated.

No broadcaster has come out and said that this year. Yes Iceland is dragging its heels but I fully expect them to say that after a long and difficult decision process they will participate, but even if they do withdraw, its no big problem for the ebu. Banning Israel without cause on the other hand could cost them Germany (aka their biggest contributer)

It's all economics and nothing to do with what Russia and Israel are actually doing

 

[han-g]

It's state-controlled

So is KAN

KAN: We won't change the lyrics, we'd rather just no participate

Israeli president: you'd better change those lyrics so we can participate (you will lose funding if we dont)

 

[heke1988]

Morocco already competed before, they're in the ebu broadcasting area so just like Israel they can participate in eurovision should they want to.

Also Australia.

 

[CC92]

It's state-controlled

Any different from the years when they were allowed to participate?

 

[CC92]

Nothing, the reason they were excluded from 2022 is because Ukraine, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, Finland, Sweden, Norway and possibly more all contacted the ebu and said they would withdraw if Russia participated.

No broadcaster has come out and said that this year. Yes Iceland is dragging its heels but I fully expect them to say that after a long and difficult decision process they will participate, but even if they do withdraw, its no big problem for the ebu. Banning Israel without cause on the other hand could cost them Germany (aka their biggest contributer)

It's all economics and nothing to do with what Russia and Israel are actually doing

I agree, but that's double standards then. Banning Channel One in 2022 has technically already created a precedent. Obviously for reasons of expediency, however, the EBU did miss the opportunity to amend the statutes by explicitly stating that broadcasters representing countries actively engaged in large-scale wars shall have no business in the Eurovision Song Contest. Now their cowardice is likely going to boomerang.

 

[Alcatraz]

You are very obsessed with Baby Lasagna

Same with Let 3 last year. I guess PolarFoxxie is from Serbia. That would explain a lot.

P.S. I'm not claiming that everyone from Serbia is a nationalist and a hater, but PolarFoxxie clearly is. I don't see any other explanation for his hatred towards everything Croatian.

 

[empo21]

EBU didn't ban Channel One. They approved their withdrawal after they were excluded from 2022.

The precedent is EBU allowing war mongering countries to participate (2014 Annexation of Crimea for example).

 

[han-g]

I agree, but that's double standards then. Banning Channel One in 2022 has technically already created a precedent. Obviously for reasons of expediency, however, the EBU did miss the opportunity to amend the statutes by explicitly stating that broadcasters representing countries actively engaged in large-scale wars shall have no business in the Eurovision Song Contest. Now their cowardice is likely going to boomerang.

Not really. Russia wasn't banned because of the war, but because including them would cost the ebu too much money... Israel is now being included because excluding them could cost the ebu too much money. The only precedent Russia set was if enough broadcasters ask for it, it will happen, thus in 2023 when the broadcasters didn't like the qualifier reveal change they knew exactly what to do.

 

[han-g]

Also Australia.

Not exactly, Australia needs to be invited, morocco could just decide that they want to participate in 2025 tomorrow

 

[CC92]

EBU didn't ban Channel One. They approved their withdrawal after they were excluded from 2022.

The precedent is EBU allowing war mongering countries to participate (2014 Annexation of Crimea for example).

Banned from the competition = excluded.
I am not asking for KAN to be thrown out of the EBU altogether but letting them fly the flag under current circumstances would drag the entire contest in the mud even if everything else went off without a hitch.

 

[CC92]

Not really. Russia wasn't banned because of the war, but because including them would cost the ebu too much money... Israel is now being included because excluding them could cost the ebu too much money. The only precedent Russia set was if enough broadcasters ask for it, it will happen, thus in 2023 when the broadcasters didn't like the qualifier reveal change they knew exactly what to do.

I do not think keeping Germany in is worth all the backlash and security risk the contest is going to get for allowing Israel. (Also if the rules were clear on the issue, she would probably not withdraw either.)
That kind of precident reading will only cause them more trouble in the long run.

 

[han-g]

I do not think keeping Germany in is worth all the backlash and security risk the contest is going to get for allowing Israel. (Also if the rules were clear on the issue, she would probably not withdraw either.)
That kind of precident reading will only cause them more trouble in the long run.

There was no other reading. The ebu announced of course Russia would continue to participate. Several broadcasters said not with us then and the ebu quickly uturned.

As for Germany the ebu created the big 4/5 to keep them in the competition, I highly doubt the relatively small backlash (not as many people are pro Palestinians as you seem to think, most are neutral, some are even pro israel so there would be backlash either way) and only slight increase to security risk (ukraine and Tali will both be there) would make them think keeping Germany sweet isn't worth it.

 

[crashworld]

Let the Eurovision Song Contest DRAMA begins...

I am happy Israel got clearance to participate, not too happy with what they did initially (though I do understand why they did that). This is just the beginning, it's going to be a tough road ahead. I hope Eden and the delegation are prepared mentally because the amount of vitriol they are going to get is going to be intense and EBU will be quick to respond to any threat made against them (or any artist that have links to Israel ala Tali).

 

[nofuxCZ]

The meltdown once Israel qualifies will be something else And they are qualifying.
I would be pretty surprised if the Czech televote didn't give them 12 and that's a good headstart when only 37 points were needed to Q last year.