Ireland IRELAND 2024 - Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue

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[Cathan]

Well I do, I'm sorry Ireland I can't see many casuals warming to this quickly enough with just one listen. Is the irish diaspora plus fandom enough to see this qualify. It was enough for Serbia last year, but that's because the televote pulled very hard towards 9 songs. I don't think that will happen this year so Ireland is very much in borderline territory.

Actually I could potentially see a world where Moldova Australia and Azerbaijan (3 countries who can often pull staging out of the bag) in addition to luxembourg get more votes than Ireland, I could see the reverse happening too but its far from the certainty you're claming

Well you are in for a big surprise this year but don't say I didn't warn you! I hate to break it to you but Ireland is safely qualifying and will only be in the borderline territory if it has a terrible performance, like Serbia did last year.

Sorry, there is no world where Moldova, Australia & Azerbaijan get a higher TV than Ireland regardless of how good their staging is. No amount of staging can save a mediocre/boring song that they have.

It's fairly certain, not as certain as Croatia, Lithuania & Ukraine, but it's probably the next likely qualifier along with Finland.

About you're view of enough people not getting it on the first listen, I do think the poll of this forum is fairly accurate on how this song will do with the public. Yes it will alienate large sections, the highest score here is 0!, but if you count the amount of people that gave this song a top 3 score it ranks 4th behind the 3 I mentioned. I pretty much confirmed what I've always suspected that granted its not going to be for everyone on a first listen it's going to grab enough people and if it does it will definitely get votes whereas the 4 songs you mentioned while might offend less people those people are unlikely to pick up the phone for it compared to others.

 

[Cathan]

So Ireland get slot 4, not the best it could have been but considering the make up of the SF I think Ireland can be satisfied. Avoid the first 3 slots and got 2 mid tempo song's either side of it so should standout even more.

I also think the picture of SF 1 has been made clearer, we've never had the first 3 song's in a SF qualify before and with Lithuania being a certain Q then it's a safe bet to suggest that one of Cyprus or Serbia is going home in the SF.

Iceland, Azerbaijan, Australia & Moldova were always going home and still are and now it's safe to say one of Cyprus or Serbia is likely going to join them. Personally if there was any justice it would be Cyprus as Serbia deserves to Q.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

So Ireland get slot 4, not the best it could have been but considering the make up of the SF I think Ireland can be satisfied. Avoid the first 3 slots and got 2 mid tempo song's either side of it so should standout even more.

I also think the picture of SF 1 has been made clearer, we've never had the first 3 song's in a SF qualify before and with Lithuania being a certain Q then it's a safe bet to suggest that one of Cyprus or Serbia is going home in the SF.

Iceland, Azerbaijan, Australia & Moldova were always going home and still are and now it's safe to say one of Cyprus or Serbia is likely going to join them. Personally if there was any justice it would be Cyprus as Serbia deserves to Q.

I've always thought Cyprus is in danger in this SF. It's a very average song and I don't see them bringing an amazing enough performance to Malmo to make it qualify.

Serbia I've thought was a borderline Q. Personally I don't like the song at all but the fans seem to...does it have wider appeal? Horrible running order slot might sink it now.

Australia's only hope of qualifying is if they bring a BIG performance that gets everyone moving. Turning up the didgeridoo in the mix would help. If the performance is bland with dull staging then it's a NQ.

Moldova I wonder if people are writing it off too soon because of the (admittedly poor) NF performance. I think it could qualify if they present a better package on the night.

I agree Azerbaijan and Iceland are dead on arrival - and for once I wouldn't mind Azerbaijan qualifying because I think it's one of their better entries, personally.

All in all I think Ireland is pretty safe, I see it coming 6th or 7th in this SF.

 

[han-g]

Well you are in for a big surprise this year but don't say I didn't warn you! I hate to break it to you but Ireland is safely qualifying and will only be in the borderline territory if it has a terrible performance, like Serbia did last year.

Sorry, there is no world where Moldova, Australia & Azerbaijan get a higher TV than Ireland regardless of how good their staging is. No amount of staging can save a mediocre/boring song that they have.

It's fairly certain, not as certain as Croatia, Lithuania & Ukraine, but it's probably the next likely qualifier along with Finland.

About you're view of enough people not getting it on the first listen, I do think the poll of this forum is fairly accurate on how this song will do with the public. Yes it will alienate large sections, the highest score here is 0!, but if you count the amount of people that gave this song a top 3 score it ranks 4th behind the 3 I mentioned. I pretty much confirmed what I've always suspected that granted its not going to be for everyone on a first listen it's going to grab enough people and if it does it will definitely get votes whereas the 4 songs you mentioned while might offend less people those people are unlikely to pick up the phone for it compared to others.

Considering I have it borderline I'm not going to be surprised if it qualifies and I'm also not going to be surprised if it nqs.

However I don't think casuals are going to surprise me. This is a song that needs more than one listen and yet one listen is all most people on the semis will get. If it qualifies it could then do better as its now the 2nd time people will listen to it possibly more if they seek it out on YouTube. The semi however, boderline

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

It won the public vote in the NF despite vast majority of the audience hearing it for the first time on the night. It was up against some much more 'conventional' entries and wasn't the favourite in the odds to win before the show.

 

[Cathan]

Considering I have it borderline I'm not going to be surprised if it qualifies and I'm also not going to be surprised if it nqs.

However I don't think casuals are going to surprise me. This is a song that needs more than one listen and yet one listen is all most people on the semis will get. If it qualifies it could then do better as its now the 2nd time people will listen to it possibly more if they seek it out on YouTube. The semi however, boderline

It could be borderline but it would take a poor performance for that to happen.

They will surprise you if you think this isn't going to get a strong tv. It might require more than 1 listen for people who are on the fence, but the reality is its target audience it will only require 1 listen. I think right now you are guilty of over thinking how the casual viewer vote, the reality is you probably think it will take more than one listen because you are basing it off your reaction to the song but the fact is, judging my comments of it, you probably aren't its target audience so were unlikely to vote for it anyway.

 

[Ted Talks]

It could be borderline but it would take a poor performance for that to happen.

They will surprise you if you think this isn't going to get a strong tv. It might require more than 1 listen for people who are on the fence, but the reality is its target audience it will only require 1 listen. I think right now you are guilty of over thinking how the casual viewer vote, the reality is you probably think it will take more than one listen because you are basing it off your reaction to the song but the fact is, judging my comments of it, you probably aren't its target audience so were unlikely to vote for it anyway.

And therein lies a problem for me. For a song to qualify, it has to appeal as widely as possible. To just dismiss some people as 'not in the target audience' and only pander to those that are in it is highly risky. Also comes across as widely arrogant too if you ask me.

I have always been a bit so-so with Ireland this year. It's nice they've gone different, but it could come across as a joke act to the general public - those who will see it once in the semi (and possibly never again) - depending on its staging. It's a risky song and I'm pleased they've risked it for once and not gone generic beige pop song.

I still think it's a borderline qualifier simply due to the divisive nature of the song.

 

[Cathan]

And therein lies a problem for me. For a song to qualify, it has to appeal as widely as possible. To just dismiss some people as 'not in the target audience' and only pander to those that are in it is highly risky. Also comes across as widely arrogant too if you ask me.

I have always been a bit so-so with Ireland this year. It's nice they've gone different, but it could come across as a joke act to the general public - those who will see it once in the semi (and possibly never again) - depending on its staging. It's a risky song and I'm pleased they've risked it for once and not gone generic beige pop song.

I still think it's a borderline qualifier simply due to the divisive nature of the song.

That's actually not true, in fact that's actually how song's NQ, they try to reach a wide range of viewers but ultimately only grab a handful and end up accidentally finishing 11th or 12th and NQ. Reaching a wide range of people works perfectly for a jury song but not a tele vote song. You can call it arrogant if you like but it's the reality of the situation.

No offence but none of the reasons you've given would lead to it struggling, in fact the reasons you've given are exactly why it'll easily make it.

 

[HarryUK]

Not Bambie going before Olly's preview performance

Y'all are doomed-sday blues

 

[MopManMoss]

Not Bambie going before Olly's preview performance

Y'all are doomed-sday blues

Bambie sticks out regardless of running order, the question is whether or not there is enough of an audience for them and whether or not it looks cheap.

I won't be voting if it's anything like the eurosong performance I hated the Cabaret esque performance of some parts of the song.

 

[Ted Talks]

That's actually not true, in fact that's actually how song's NQ, they try to reach a wide range of viewers but ultimately only grab a handful and end up accidentally finishing 11th or 12th and NQ. Reaching a wide range of people works perfectly for a jury song but not a tele vote song. You can call it arrogant if you like but it's the reality of the situation.

No offence but none of the reasons you've given would lead to it struggling, in fact the reasons you've given are exactly why it'll easily make it.

Blimey, the arrogance from yourself is astounding in that reply and some of your others earlier upthread by the looks of things. You seem to be taking it very personally that not everyone agrees with your opinion.

Are you seriously trying to say a poor performance - one of the reasons I highlighted as a potential problem - would not affect Ireland's qualification chances?

Another point I raised was the divisive nature of the song - which it is going by online reactions and this thread's poll - and how it could also play a part in NQing, but again you've dismissed it. Why are you arrogantly saying it won't? Those factors would affect any song, not just Ireland's.

And songs getting votes from lots of countries and a wide range of fans is surely better than just one section of fans? To me, that clearly makes more sense. But obviously not to you...

 

[Etanna]

It won the public vote in the NF despite vast majority of the audience hearing it for the first time on the night. It was up against some much more 'conventional' entries and wasn't the favourite in the odds to win before the show.

how many and which type of people are likely to have watched the NF and voted? Was it mostly just enthusiastic Eurovision fans or can it give us a glimpse of ordinary people's opinions?

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

how many and which type of people are likely to have watched the NF and voted? Was it mostly just enthusiastic Eurovision fans or can it give us a glimpse of ordinary people's opinions?

The NF was held on the main talk show in the country, which is aired on a Friday night and usually gets high viewership.

The talk show has a bit of a reputation for being watched by 'grannies' or other people who don't go out on a Friday night. So I'm not sure how representative it is of the whole population, but given the high viewership it's probably as representive as a tv show in Ireland can be.

As for people who voted, I'm guessing it would have given a good glimpse of public opinion in Ireland, as many viewers would be people who tune in every week anyway.

 

[Etanna]

The NF was held on the main talk show in the country, which is aired on a Friday night and usually gets high viewership.

The talk show has a bit of a reputation for being watched by 'grannies' or other people who don't go out on a Friday night. So I'm not sure how representative it is of the whole population, but given the high viewership it's probably as representive as a tv show in Ireland can be.

As for people who voted, I'm guessing it would have given a good glimpse of public opinion in Ireland, as many viewers would be people who tune in every week anyway.

that's a good sign. I think that certain countries which have a soft spot for metal could give Ireland some support this year but one never knows with these types of songs

 

[Loindici]

that's a good sign. I think that certain countries which have a soft spot for metal could give Ireland some support this year but one never knows with these types of songs

I still keep my hopes high for Doomsday Blue. It's one of the more characteristic songs in the lineup and I don't want to lose it in the semi

 

[Etanna]

I still keep my hopes high for Doomsday Blue. It's one of the more characteristic songs in the lineup and I don't want to lose it in the semi

same, and I'm also really excited that Ireland finally sends something daring! I wouldn't want them to feel discouraged from trying to experiment in the following years

 

[ClassifiedCat]

Purely anecdotal but my 60+ year old relatives were massive fans of Doomsday Blue in the NF and they wouldn't usually go for songs like this at all.

 

[Irish Cameltoe]

She might make the final (barely) with a different staging.

 

[SAYAY]

This is actually a very big guilty pleasure of mine rn, so changing my score from a 5 to a 10

 

[Cathan]

Blimey, the arrogance from yourself is astounding in that reply and some of your others earlier upthread by the looks of things. You seem to be taking it very personally that not everyone agrees with your opinion.

Are you seriously trying to say a poor performance - one of the reasons I highlighted as a potential problem - would not affect Ireland's qualification chances?

Another point I raised was the divisive nature of the song - which it is going by online reactions and this thread's poll - and how it could also play a part in NQing, but again you've dismissed it. Why are you arrogantly saying it won't? Those factors would affect any song, not just Ireland's.

And songs getting votes from lots of countries and a wide range of fans is surely better than just one section of fans? To me, that clearly makes more sense. But obviously not to you...

Nothing personal, just stating reality.

It could be a potential problem, as in it might mean Ireland only finish 9th in the semi rather than 5-6th.

How would it play a part? Unless the viewers at home vote 13-14 times for all the other songs then I struggle to see how it would?

Having a song that gets a wide range of votes works if you have a super strong song, if you are someone like Cyprus, Serbia etc it's actually the opposite affect.