Iceland ICELAND 2019 - Hatari - Hatrið mun sigra

[Dessi]

Are u freakin kidding me?

Like I said, u guys have no idea about the real world.
Which is fine, and wish everyone was in that position.

Just stop pretending u know anything about...anything.

I know A LOT believe me...
The real world you say... Where do you think I live, on the moon?

Well, I know that right now the whole WORLD has problems.... HUGE problems...
So this little waving scarf is just a way to put the whole worlds problems on something so little that it is ridiculous.
Madonna made a statement aswell.... showing the Palestinian flag on two of her dancers.
She was HEAVILY payed... Iceland was not.
Freedom of speach, people!

 

[RainyWoods]

Well, one good thing is that Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters probably enjoyed a fabulous orgasm tonight, so at least he’ll stop pestering people with open letters for five minutes, and can go and order some flowers for Hatari or something.

This is not the place for politics so I’m going to keep it simple and just say that cultural boycotts are not the way forward. I’ve very much enjoyed the show in Israel this year but I’m kind of relieved it’s all over now with provocative flag waving being the biggest thing that happened.

 

[Ewigkeit]

Iveta didn't face any sanction for carrying the flag of Armenian-occupied Karabakh, then why would carrying the flag of a de jure sovereign state be such a big deal?

Just an opinion.

 

[RainyWoods]

Iveta didn't face any sanction for carrying the flag of Armenian-occupied Karabakh, then why would carrying the flag of a de jure sovereign state be such a big deal?

Just an opinion.

Actually they did https://wiwibloggs.com/2016/05/11/ebu-sanctions-armenian-broadcaster-nagorno-karabakh-flag-incident/

EBU mentions it’s a clear breach of the rule ““no messages promoting any organisation, institution, political cause or other, company, brand, products or services shall be allowed in the Shows”

What Hatari did was political of course. I think we can all agree on that. How exactly were Israeli people supposed to feel seeing that flag? It was done to provoke.

 

[cegs5]

I'm afraid to say that provocative flags or strong political statements have been waved in every single edition, we could agree with them or not but they are always present: Palestine (it is not the first time), Catalonia, Karabakh, close-ups of the rainbow flag is seen as provocative in some countries while their artists performed However, I agree that this shouldn't be the most importamt topic of the night and so what we saw is just part of the game and there is not a place for a punishment or further actions against Hatari or the Icelandic delegation.

 

[RainyWoods]

I think EBU will mention it with a statement, as they did for Armenia but no deep action will be taken. Sanctioned with a scolding probably at most.

This is why I never clicked with the band. I knew all along they were just going to cause trouble. The song itself could have been the protest as many people claimed it would be, but in they end they couldn’t resist going further.

 

[Ewigkeit]

Actually they did https://wiwibloggs.com/2016/05/11/ebu-sanctions-armenian-broadcaster-nagorno-karabakh-flag-incident/

EBU mentions it’s a clear breach of the rule ““no messages promoting any organisation, institution, political cause or other, company, brand, products or services shall be allowed in the Shows”

I didn't know about this, thanks, but it says "there’ll be no immediate effect on Iveta’s particiaption in Saturday’s grand final" and "The Reference Group wishes to point out that any further breach of the Rules of the 2016 Eurovision Song Contest could lead to disqualification from this year’s event or any successive editions.", so eventually they didn't violate any more rules and everything went well. It can also work for Iceland as well, but people in this thread are discussing a possible disqualification of Iceland, which sounds funny to me.

 

[RainyWoods]

I didn't know about this, thanks, but it says "there’ll be no immediate effect on Iveta’s particiaption in Saturday’s grand final" and "The Reference Group wishes to point out that any further breach of the Rules of the 2016 Eurovision Song Contest could lead to disqualification from this year’s event or any successive editions.", so eventually they didn't violate any more rules and everything went well. It can also work for Iceland as well, but people in this thread are discussing a possible disqualification of Iceland, which sounds funny to me.

It’s a different situation. Armenia broke the rules early and were warned, then behaved. Iceland broke the rules right at the end of the competition. Who knows what will happen now. As I mentioned above, I imagine a statement will be made, but I doubt they’ll be disqualified or banned for next year.

 

[Daybreak]

It was a clever move doing it during the voting; more people will watch it than their performance, plus they're forcing the commentators to mention it and get more attention. And honestly, there's nothing offensive or "anti-Israel" in just a plain reference to Palestine. Slightly related, I'd like to point out that Iceland was the first country to recognize Estonia's reclaimed independence back in 1991, when several countries were still in the "don't rock the boat" mode.

 

[Chorizo]

Finally some drama!
Since nothing happened to Armenia, nothing should happen now as well. The situation is the same.

 

[Bsimmons]

For those who support what Hatari did I have a question ... Do you also go to visit your friend and then all the sudden pull your pants off and take a shit in the middle of the living room?

 

[RainyWoods]

For those who support what Hatari did I have a question ... Do you also go to visit your friend and then all the sudden pull your pants off and take a shit in the middle of the living room?

Well, they weren't Israel's friend. It's kind of the whole reason why they were there. Israel opened its doors for the band though and did welcome them into their house and this is how the band chose to repay them. It's obviously a very delicate situation and everyone has their own opinion on the matter. A lot of innocent people on both sides of the coin though getting hurt. Israel as far as I'm aware didn't bring any politics into their hosting of the contest. Meanwhile Iceland (Hatari) did.

 

[Alaska49]

anyway they are the official new Alaska Avatar Pretty Boys as i........ didn't think they would be as i thought i would just put zala & gasper for i want to find me my own gasper but then hatari declared kate to be a honorary anti capitalist and how am i supposed to not use that?

i love them. their silent protest is great and people actually expected so much worse from them. they kept it classy and non disruptive, as did madonna (!). i will not disagree with any sanctions ebu might put on iceland for this, but i am sure RUV won't mind it too much.

 

[Chorizo]

As I've said before: I'm happy we will be in the Netherlands next year, away from all that drama.

 

[Chorizo]

Well, they weren't Israel's friend. It's kind of the whole reason why they were there. Israel opened its doors for the band though and did welcome them into their house and this is how the band chose to repay them. It's obviously a very delicate situation and everyone has their own opinion on the matter. A lot of innocent people on both sides of the coin though getting hurt. Israel as far as I'm aware didn't bring any politics into their hosting of the contest. Meanwhile Iceland (Hatari) did.

I'd say the map was very political. These borders aren't internationally recognized.

 

[Bsimmons]

They just showed a flag. People can disagree with that and boo but there isn't more to it. Talking about fining, disqualifying or banning Iceland is absurd. Palestine is recognized by the majority of countries including many participants of Eurovision. The flag was shown during Madonna's performance as well.

As far as I know politics is not allowed in ESC by rules. And this clearly was a political "statement". There is no point to talk about what Madonna did or didnt do as she was not a participant of the competition. So comparision is not really valid.

I am not taking sides here (Israel and Palestine dispute) as I admit I am too stupid to understand all the details, and I understand that the meaning of this band was to be controversial, but there is a difference between being controversial and acting like an asshole.

 

[Chorizo]

As far as I know politics is not allowed in ESC by rules. And this clearly was a political "statement". There is no point to talk about what Madonna did or didnt do as she was not a participant of the competition. So comparision is not really valid.

I am not taking sides here (Israel and Palestine dispute) as I admit I am too stupid to understand all the details, and I understand that the meaning of this band was to be controversial, but there is a difference between being controversial and acting like an asshole.

Flags are always political since they are used to identify and distinguish political entities, yet flags aren't banned. Flags of non-participating countries aren't banned either. There was no political message beyond showing the flag, so they didn't go too far.

 

[Bsimmons]

Flags are always political since they are used to identify and distinguish political entities, yet flags aren't banned. Flags of non-participating countries aren't banned either. There was no political message beyond showing the flag, so they didn't go too far.

yes, and thats my point by comparing it to taking a shit in your friends living room ... this is not illegal too, but who does that?

 

[Bsimmons]

Btw I hope EBU will not sanction Iceland in any kind of way. Country should not be punished because of few assholes who cross the lines.

Israel should just ban all the band members from entering the country and not because they held Palestine flag, but because the decided to act like assholes.

 

[musicfan]

Just like literally everyone else who gets to host esc

Wish we win one day, so u can see how it looks when self-promotion throws up on you 2

I'd much prefer it if it wasn't about countries and so politics, but the way Eurovision sees itself they do actively promote is as that because they think that can make it more popular and so make more money.

The whole parade of contestants with national flags at the start is like the Olympics, and as everyone knows that is also about politics. You look at Eurovision forums and people tend to bring up politics and what their particular opinion is. Not everyone agrees with the concept of Israel, that may upset some and please others. National flags that some Eurovision forums tend to adore are political, country names are. Personally I'd like it to be just about the music. On forums you do get people trying to say the contest isn't about politics, but deep down you suspect most of them know there is a political element and maybe many even want that. But those people also only want it political on their own terms, reflecting what they like.