Germany GERMANY 2023 - Lord of the Lost - Blood and Glitter

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Mainshow]

Lord Of The Lost delivered a great performance last night! I hope they can also bring that sort of energy in May (pretty sure they will).

It´s really crazy to hear Chris giving interviews 24/7 - Even though I don´t watch TV, I can´t escape them because I follow the band on social media (Frühstücksfernsehen, WDR 2 Interiview, Volle Kanne (?), NDR Talkshow). It´s great to see them doing so much promo and from what I´ve heard, they have only found nice and kind words for the other participants and Eurovision

 

[Storm]

Sure thing and as long as he doesn't have evidence it all just remains weird rambling. Sadly though the NDR has blatantly influenced NF results in the past so at the end of the day these allegations are not as far fetched as the might seem at first glance.
Which leads us to the main talking point for me: The NDR has zero credibility.

The thing is that it gets really blurry then. What incident exactly are you referring to? The Sisters wildcard or was there something else? I personally never believed in the Sisters conspiracy and thought it was just a prime example of Thomas Schreiber's incompetence/lack of taste/ out-of-touch-ness. Which is kind of my point: incompetence is not forbidden. It deserves to be criticized of course, the results speak for themseleves and we all know the NDR made terrible decisions in the past. And if Ikke had made a statement saying that the NDR is on the wrong way, that more diversity and less narrowmindedness was needed (which would be a little odd to criticize this year, because they clearly addressed that criticism but still), that the selection process needs to be reviewed, that the NF should be more professional, I think he would have a point. But claiming manipulation and rigging is a whole different thing though? I don't see how choosing a certain artist or a certain genre over another artist or genre is manipulation or influencing. I mean of course it is kind of influencing but like unavoidable influencing because you have to choose some people out of thousands of applicants.

 

[GermanBango]

The thing is that it gets really blurry then. What incident exactly are you referring to? The Sisters wildcard or was there something else? I personally never believed in the Sisters conspiracy and thought it was just a prime example of Thomas Schreiber's incompetence/lack of taste/ out-of-touch-ness. Which is kind of my point: incompetence is not forbidden. It deserves to be criticized of course, the results speak for themseleves and we all know the NDR made terrible decisions in the past. And if Ikke had made a statement saying that the NDR is on the wrong way, that more diversity and less narrowmindedness was needed (which would be a little odd to criticize this year, because they clearly addressed that criticism but still), that the selection process needs to be reviewed, that the NF should be more professional, I think he would have a point. But claiming manipulation and rigging is a whole different thing though? I don't see how choosing a certain artist or a certain genre over another artist or genre is manipulation or influencing. I mean of course it is kind of influencing but like unavoidable influencing because you have to choose some people out of thousands of applicants.

I don't if there has been any riggory this year as I did not follow the NF at all. As far as I can tell the most popular act has won so that case is closed for me. All I've been saying is that allegations maybe should not be dismissed outright. As for the Sisters-fiasco ... well all I'm gonna say is that there were a little to many "coincidences" for me personally to believe that everything went according to the rules.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

Maybe we should stop labeling people as sore losers (even if it's some as trashy as Ikke Hüftgold) as soon as the level criticism at our abysmal broadcaster and their shitty irrelevant attempts at hosting national finals. Just saying. Sure, the way these talking points are put together are rather amateurish and give off a certain amount of saltiness but does it make the core invalid? I remember people were going off on Aly Ryan as well after she criticized the NDR for rigging the NF (which was super obvious at that time).
Funnily all of the artists who raised their voices at least in part came up with the exact arguments that we Eurovision fans have been repeating on a loop since idk 2016 or so.

I totally get your point. And as I said the NDR made decisions that were questionable and lacking of transparancy aswell. To sum up what annoys me the most about his behaviour is that he stated he did win the national final. And there is absolutely no proof for that which is quite unfair towards LOTL.

 

[Ana Raquel]

I took pictures with three of the members yesterday I love them

 

[mauve]

I took pictures with two of the members yesterday I love them

With Pi? If so, I would have fainted.

 

[I bims]

As for the Sisters-fiasco ... well all I'm gonna say is that there were a little to many "coincidences" for me personally to believe that everything went according to the rules.

You sound like everyones weird aunt on facebook

 

[GermanBango]

You sound like everyones weird aunt on facebook

I have been called worse things so I can live with that.

 

[midnightsun]

Didn´t you hink the same about Sisters in 2019??

I was one of the few who loved Sisters, yes, and thought it was a pretty good song. And to me it was a perfect ESC song, with a strong message, female empowerment. It was a good winning song imho.

 

[ESC94]

I was one of the few who loved Sisters, yes, and thought it was a pretty good song. And to me it was a perfect ESC song, with a strong message, female empowerment. It was a good winning song imho.

Well, Europe seemingly didn´t share your excitement.

 

[midnightsun]

So what? Do I have to dislike a song because everyone else does?
Most of my favourite songs in Eurovision are songs that are in the bottom of everyone‘s else list… don’t know what it has to do with it. To me it was a great song, I didn’t say everyone else must love it.

 

[ESC94]

So what? Do I have to dislike a song because everyone else does?
Most of my favourite songs in Eurovision are songs that are in the bottom of everyone‘s else list… don’t know what it has to do with it. To me it was a great song, I didn’t say everyone else must love it.

I never said that, it was just a simple diagnosis that your projections failed really hard.

 

[MopManMoss]

I was one of the few who loved Sisters, yes, and thought it was a pretty good song. And to me it was a perfect ESC song, with a strong message, female empowerment. It was a good winning song imho.

You saw sisters and went yes this is a good winning song?? What

 

[DanielLuis]

So what? Do I have to dislike a song because everyone else does?
Most of my favourite songs in Eurovision are songs that are in the bottom of everyone‘s else list… don’t know what it has to do with it. To me it was a great song, I didn’t say everyone else must love it.

Of course you can. But I don't think you can call a 0-pointer a "perfect Eurovision song" though

 

[GermanBango]

 

[GermanBango]

I'm still trying to get where people are coming from with their hopes of Germany not ending in the bottom six this year. The evidence is definitely speaking a different language ...
- The song had barely any impact on the German market. There is no hype at all. No radio streams, no real chart success.
- The most-watched vid of "Blood and Glitter" hasn't even reached 2 mil. views yet. It currently ranks 18th out of all participants.
- Germany is currently 20th in the odds. You know, these little numbers that overall have done an overwhelmingly good job at predicting the outcome of recent years.
- Even among Eurovision fans "Blood and Glitter" has barely generated any hype.... 21st on that scoreboard app, 20th in a combined Youtube Ranking ... and don't start with "It's just nothing the fandom likes". We have both Finland and Australia (who at least are in a similar style) way ahead in these rankings.
- Germany has no guaranteed points unlike other countries (maybe from Austria and Switzerland but that's like nothing).
- There is no way in hell that the song is doing better than 20th with the juries which means they would need like 100+ points from the public in order to come close to a Top 12 placement overall.
I'd say anything other than a placement between 20 and 26 would be a massive surprise at this point. That is unless they come up with the greatest performance that has ever graced the stage.

 

[ESC94]

I'm still trying to get where people are coming from with their hopes of Germany not ending in the bottom six this year. The evidence is definitely speaking a different language ...
- The song had barely any impact on the German market. There is no hype at all. No radio streams, no real chart success.
- The most-watched vid of "Blood and Glitter" hasn't even reached 2 mil. views yet. It currently ranks 18th out of all participants.
- Germany is currently 20th in the odds. You know, these little numbers that overall have done an overwhelmingly good job at predicting the outcome of recent years.
- Even among Eurovision fans "Blood and Glitter" has barely generated any hype.... 21st on that scoreboard app, 20th in a combined Youtube Ranking ... and don't start with "It's just nothing the fandom likes". We have both Finland and Australia (who at least are in a similar style) way ahead in these rankings.
- Germany has no guaranteed points unlike other countries (maybe from Austria and Switzerland but that's like nothing).
- There is no way in hell that the song is doing better than 20th with the juries which means they would need like 100+ points from the public in order to come close to a Top 12 placement overall.
I'd say anything other than a placement between 20 and 26 would be a massive surprise at this point. That is unless they come up with the greatest performance that has ever graced the stage.

Be careful, you´re living dangerously in this thread even though I agree with you.

 

[GermanBango]

Be careful, you´re living dangerously in this thread even though I agree with you.

Bring it on. I‘m craving some risk in my life.

Seriously though, I don’t even want to offend anyone. I just haven’t seen any evidence that make me believe in a decent result.

 

[I bims]

I'm still trying to get where people are coming from with their hopes of Germany not ending in the bottom six this year. The evidence is definitely speaking a different language ...
- The song had barely any impact on the German market. There is no hype at all. No radio streams, no real chart success.
- The most-watched vid of "Blood and Glitter" hasn't even reached 2 mil. views yet. It currently ranks 18th out of all participants.
- Germany is currently 20th in the odds. You know, these little numbers that overall have done an overwhelmingly good job at predicting the outcome of recent years.
- Even among Eurovision fans "Blood and Glitter" has barely generated any hype.... 21st on that scoreboard app, 20th in a combined Youtube Ranking ... and don't start with "It's just nothing the fandom likes". We have both Finland and Australia (who at least are in a similar style) way ahead in these rankings.
- Germany has no guaranteed points unlike other countries (maybe from Austria and Switzerland but that's like nothing).
- There is no way in hell that the song is doing better than 20th with the juries which means they would need like 100+ points from the public in order to come close to a Top 12 placement overall.
I'd say anything other than a placement between 20 and 26 would be a massive surprise at this point. That is unless they come up with the greatest performance that has ever graced the stage.

I dunno, I thought it was the popular consesus that they will end up somewhere between 15 and 22 but they are at least not embarassing representatives and respected? I think they will pick up some votes from Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden (maybe their fanbase in the Netherlands and Denmark is solid enough as well for a point) to at least escape the Bottom 3... Hopefully.

The odds currently don't mean thaaat much. They get more accurate once the rehearsals start. Michael Schulte was also around 20 at this stage in the season. LOTL won't repeat his result but you get the idea. I think LOTL will also bring more spectacle and will improve on their performance, more than Malik did. So there's still wiggle room.

 

[GermanBango]

I dunno, I thought it was the popular consesus that they will end up somewhere between 15 and 22 but they are at least not embarassing representatives and respected? I think they will pick up some votes from Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden (maybe their fanbase in the Netherlands and Denmark is solid enough as well for a point) to at least escape the Bottom 3... Hopefully.

The odds currently don't mean thaaat much. They get more accurate once the rehearsals start. Michael Schulte was also around 20 at this stage in the season. LOTL won't repeat his result but you get the idea. I think LOTL will also bring more spectacle and will improve on their performance, more than Malik did. So there's still wiggle room.

For sure things can change in the next three weeks and there is always one or two surprises in the end but as for now I really don’t see how Germany could gather the points necessary to make it out of the bottom six. At least for now I don’t see any evidence that points towards a „is doing much better than expected“-scenario.

Thing is some people in here who like the song (which is fair enough, no shade) seem a little delusional at times.