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France FRANCE 2023 - La Zarra - Évidemment
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They would never do such a dumb thing tbh
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it's drifting cause it's not winning. The song is still... just fine. It definitely can reach top 5, top 3 at best though.
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Yeah I think it's more likely to be placed 9-13th.
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I agree, the song doesn't give me winner vibes, can't picture it winning.
Ok, I just needed to rewrite my whole state of mind lmao.
To be honest, I don't think that the song is just fine as it stands - the performance elevates it so much that it makes sense everyone keeps betting on it.
It does have that little "je ne sais quoi" to it that encompasses what everyone loves about France - this year's contestants that make me feel the exact same would be Finland and Spain. Sweden? So high in the odds? Yeah, a safe bet is that they're betting on Loreen for the sake of betting on Loreen. She won once, the hype is real.
But most people have been adamant about La Zarra's chances since the pre-parties and the first rehearsals, so was I. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she pulled off a Duncan Laurence's.
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They are drifting because it's the odds from yesterday, there are nearly no change on sunday.Why the hell are France's odds drifting?
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The performance elevates the whole thing A LOT but you can't make Romania win even with the best staging ever right.
France is not at that level of bad, it's not even bad, it's pretty good tbh but the song itself lacks something imho that no La Zarra Tower can fix.
Finland has a more memorable song (and staging but the song is doing the job here)
Sweden has a better package and a more "modern" sound. Tattoo shares a lot with Evidemment : both have anthemic endings but you don't have to wait till the last 30secs for Sweden for it to go somewhere.
That's my major concern about évidemment, it keeps building till the last part which makes the whole song a waiting game. The climax is 200% great (maybe the greatest one of all the songs this year) but it feels like (to me at least) the song is only 30 seconds. While -If we compare it to Sweden- Tattoo delivers on the first chorus (+ has also an impressive staging)
But we can agree on one thing, FranceTv did a very good job with the staging this year and it could be our best staging in the last 10y, I would say better than Edith Piaf in 2021.
That being said, I'm pretty delighted to see that our Alexandra Redde-Amiel nationale finally succeeded in understanding the ins and outs of ESC. We're here to witness a turning point in France's ESC history. And I have to give a fucking round of applause to our delegation for that.
Back to your statement about our song, I do think that the climax is the best part of the entry. HOWEVER (and that's a big HOWEVER I'm putting in right now), we shouldn't underestimate the power of this song. In my opinion, a song doesn't need to be a full power-blast from start to finish like Kaarija's or Loreen's. And we've yet to see the full performance on TV, which already looks promising on TV.
That's why I'm a bit reluctant considering La Zarra out of the running for the crystal trophy, we may be in for a huge surprise.
A fanflop while being 3rd in the odds one week before the grand final? sure
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We'd already witnessed it in 2021That being said, I'm pretty delighted to see that our Alexandra Redde-Amiel nationale finally succeeded in understanding the ins and outs of ESC. We're here to witness a turning point in France's ESC history. And I have to give a fucking round of applause to our delegation for that.
Yup. It's a three horse race with her being the least likely of the three, but still a contender.
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Even if I really like the French entry, I cannot see her winning the contest. Something is missing from the whole song. If you hear the instrumental version, you can surely hear that this is not a winning song. Also, I believe that even if the staging is great, it will not be as much impactful as Voila. IMO this is not winning and it will come up in the top15.
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I can't remember if I said it in this thread or one of the others, but if her vocals turn out to be good I can see this doing a Gjon's Tears/Sam Ryder. By that I mean - coming 1st or 2nd in the jury vote, landing 5th or 6th in the televote and the end result being a top 5 placement.
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Well, Loreen's song is also "just fine" and really nothing more than that, a kind of tune heard and overheard for 2 decades now.
Yet again you've been molesting all of us for 3 months now how that meek tune is "the winner" and a "slay queen".
Reality check people!
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If you think Sweden is the winner, or Norway, same applies to France. There's not much difference there in quality nor televote appeal.
Yet again you've been molesting all of us for 3 months now how that meek tune is "the winner" and a "slay queen".
Reality check people!
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If you think Sweden is the winner, or Norway, same applies to France. There's not much difference there in quality nor televote appeal.
I think many people are underestimating France's winning potential. Why do I say this?
- From what we've seen so far, she has at least 5 ICONIC visual shots. Sweden and Finland both have 1-2. From a visual aspect, France is very close to, or even at #1
- The song. There is no other "classy, cultural" song in this year's contest that also has the mainstream appeal. Hence the strong showing in the Eurojury and OGAE results. Again, very close, or even at #1
Of course we haven't seen the full package, and this could completely change 180. Alot depends on La Zarra's singing ability, live perfomance aspect, camera cuts etc. However, while Sweden and Finland have already shown most of their cards, France has not.
In the last 30 days her odds rankings have increased from #9 to now #3-4, so she's the only one with this kind of momentum going in to Eurovision week. At 20-1 odds, this is a clear value bet to me.
- From what we've seen so far, she has at least 5 ICONIC visual shots. Sweden and Finland both have 1-2. From a visual aspect, France is very close to, or even at #1
- The song. There is no other "classy, cultural" song in this year's contest that also has the mainstream appeal. Hence the strong showing in the Eurojury and OGAE results. Again, very close, or even at #1
Of course we haven't seen the full package, and this could completely change 180. Alot depends on La Zarra's singing ability, live perfomance aspect, camera cuts etc. However, while Sweden and Finland have already shown most of their cards, France has not.
In the last 30 days her odds rankings have increased from #9 to now #3-4, so she's the only one with this kind of momentum going in to Eurovision week. At 20-1 odds, this is a clear value bet to me.
I think in general people aren't underestimating a French victory, actually many people around here think she's a real contender. In my opinion, and let me clarify first that she's my favourite, I don't get impressed by platforms, fire and stuff anymore but more by the performance itself. They need to focus on her and her facial expressions and moves (that I think will be a bit limited because of being stuck on a platform) and, of course, she needs to be vocally on point. The rest is just there, and won't make her win because we have already seen a lot of that in the past. What matters is what she sells, and what she's capable of transmiting to the viewers so they pick up the phone and vote for her.
Yeah if there is one question mark, it'll be around her vocal ability. It's unproven and most of what Ive seen so far is decent but not on the level of Lorren or Blanca.
They need to create the intimacy like they had in the music video. If they can do that, and if she is able to confidently sell the song vocally and visually, she has a strong chance.
They need to create the intimacy like they had in the music video. If they can do that, and if she is able to confidently sell the song vocally and visually, she has a strong chance.
