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[Cyberbliss]

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Or at least she could write the song. That would be a very good idea !

I have a feeling that she's gone a bit out of fashion in France, can you confirm that? At least she could write the song, yes, she's very good at it, if her staging persona isn't seen well (at this point, if France really wants to win, let Mylène Farmer write a song for ESC)!

 

[tuorem]

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I have a feeling that she's gone a bit out of fashion in France, can you confirm that? At least she could write the song, yes, she's very good at it, if her staging persona isn't seen well (at this point, if France really wants to win, let Mylène Farmer write a song for ESC)!

Zazie is indeed not the famous artist she used to be a few years ago, her last two albums didn't sell that well, like lots of singers of the same generation. But it's someone everyone (but some Young people) knows at least, and I guess she's not on the verge of flopping hard. She is known for her lyrics though, and in Eurovision, it wouldn't help that much, I don't even know if she writes music as well. In addition to that, she's got no voice at all, I mean I like her but in Eurovision, one often needs to belt out notes

Same for Mylène Farmer: first, she will never get close to Eurovision in any way; second, she doesn't compose music; three, no voice

I don't believe we need someone famous already to fare well, there are tons of talented people out there who could seize this opportunity to get some recognition at national level... But our broadcaster needs to understand that. As we saw this year, choosing a friend of a TV presenter who works for France 2 is not really what I would call "make a good choice" :? Our delegation just sucks, I'm looking forward to our next entry to be honest. Nathalie André promised us something far different from "N'oubliez Pas" and picking a "Moustache 2.0" would be a big disgrace, so they must get it right this time!

 

[toinou03]

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I have a feeling that she's gone a bit out of fashion in France, can you confirm that? At least she could write the song, yes, she's very good at it, if her staging persona isn't seen well (at this point, if France really wants to win, let Mylène Farmer write a song for ESC)!

I wouldn't say that. Yet she hasn't had big hits since a long time. She's still a famous personnality as she's a coach in The Voice. Yet, she enjoys being far from promotion, and I believe she now enjoys doing her stuff, without any need of topping the charts, doing a lot of promotion, being commercial and everything. She's too much someone to need this

And for our friends who wouldn't know Zazie...

My favourite one...

I remember I was so with that video when I was a kid 3

1

This is the last very big hit, from 2007

And obviously, Zen, Rue de la Paix, etc.

 

[tuorem]

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"Larsen" is also one of my faves (with "Rue de la Paix")

I would add "On éteint", "Homme Sweet Homme", "Chanson d'ami" and "la Dolce Vita" in her masterpieces

 

[Cyberbliss]

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"Larsen" is also one of my faves (with "Rue de la Paix")

I would add "On éteint", "Homme Sweet Homme", "Chanson d'ami" and "la Dolce Vita" in her masterpieces

"Au diable nos adieux", "Ça fait mal et ça fait rien", "Autant de peine que toi", "Adam et Yves", "Sur toi", "Rodéo", "Des rails", "Avant l'amour", "20 ans", "FM air"... je l'adore

 

[popavapeur]

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I don't think Zazie will be a good choice for France cause she represents the "good taste" of France. it means that she'll stuck to her style and she won't be making any song specially for the ESC. And you don't win ESC with a song of our own, but a song made for the show.

This country is so tricky, French music is so narrow-minded it makes a lot of problems. you have the guys that won't participate because ESC is kitsch, and for the ones that'd like to participate they'll send a song that are not working for ESC cause they wanna stick with their "universe" (typical french thing that you heard a lot in TV contest like the voice or Idol) Btw, Today i don't think there's an artist able to give a song that could win if they have to follow their own style. Nobody is quite bankable.

EDIT : I forgot Yelle, the only one able to make awesome things (and maybe Marina Kaye right now but she's singing in English)

 

[toinou03]

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I don't think Zazie will be a good choice for France cause she represents the "good taste" of France. it means that she'll stuck to her style and she won't be making any song specially for the ESC. And you don't win ESC with a song of our own, but a song made for the show.

This country is so tricky, French music is so narrow-minded it makes a lot of problems. you have the guys that won't participate because ESC is kitsch, and for the ones that'd like to participate they'll send a song that are not working for ESC cause they wanna stick with their "universe" (typical french thing that you heard a lot in TV contest like the voice or Idol) Btw, Today i don't think there's an artist able to give a song that could win if they have to follow their own style. Nobody is quite bankable.

EDIT : I forgot Yelle, the only one able to make awesome things (and maybe Marina Kaye right now but she's singing in English)

I don't agree.
First, in France we don't do Europop like "Heroes". And that kind of songs doesn't have much success... On the other hand, we have examples of recent songs that had an international destiny like

or

I believe that those two songs could have won Eurovision. (And they are in French moreover) And the producers of those two songs could be hired to write an entry.

As for French entrants. We have to keep in mind that Eurovision is not a beloved show in France... And it didn't bring that much opportunities to any former entrant (apart from Sébastien Tellier or Patricia Kaas, or Les Fatals Picards somehow). The others remained at the same place as before. Then it's not really encouraging. And Eurovision has an image of a tacky, old-fashioned show in France.
On the other hand you have Eurofans looking up ith disdsain to all the people who sell most in France (Kendji, Louane, etc.)... While we won't do anything with songs noone care at home, like wailing old ballads, or quickly-done pop songs...

The only thing we should do is to follow our Italian brothers and sending the music we can make and people like from us, not artificial music or sending anyone with any cheesy thing...

 

[tuorem]

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I agree with [MENTION=8798]toinou03[/MENTION]. I don't think we can apply what other countries do to France. And remember the last time "we" sent a Europop entry especially made to meet the taste of Eurovision viewers, it was in 2012 with "Echo (You and I)" by Anggun... and we got ZERO points in televoting :? Our worst result ever.

 

[popavapeur]

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[MENTION=8798]toinou03[/MENTION] [MENTION=9195]tuorem[/MENTION]
i don't agree (haha)
because you're giving two points that are easily explainable.

First, i have to agree that Indila or Kendji could win ESC. Why ? because their songs is made for the international public. That's just what i said a post before, French music is narrow minded because we create songs for the country and for nobody else. But Kendji, for example, has a song with weak lyrics, 3 notes that run in loop from sec one to the last one, it's easy for non-french speakers to get it because it's simple. Most of the top charts are trusted by international music and there is my second point : French music is not able to bring something new cause the guys that are choosing everything in the high spheres of music are stubborn. What French people want today is international music with french lyrics (Maitre Gim's, Kendji, Louane, Indila).

Then we have the "Angunn" gate. Yes we tried to do europop, but we forget to put melody in it, oopsie. The thing is not "we tried, we failed", it's like you try to do olympics in the pool and you don't know how to swim, that's what is Echo (You and I). It's one of the worst europop song that i've heard in my life. And why was it that bad? because the french people that managed it wanted to keep it french at 100%, but you only have to keep the lyrics french to keep it "French".

We're really in a case where it'll be hard to win if we don't change our mind.

 

[tuorem]

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[MENTION=8798]toinou03[/MENTION] [MENTION=9195]tuorem[/MENTION]
i don't agree (haha)
because you're giving two points that are easily explainable.

Then we have the "Angunn" gate. Yes we tried to do europop, but we forget to put melody in it, oopsie. The thing is not "we tried, we failed", it's like you try to do olympics in the pool and you don't know how to swim, that's what is Echo (You and I). It's one of the worst europop song that i've heard in my life. And why was it that bad? because the french people that managed it wanted to keep it french at 100%, but you only have to keep the lyrics french to keep it "French".

We're really in a case where it'll be hard to win if we don't change our mind.

You should agree with me because I agree with you I mentioned Anggun because at that time, our broadcaster tried to meet what it thought was the taste of Eurovision viewers and it flopped big time because our delegation sucks, they seem to know nothing about how much the contest has evolved since Marie Myriam and don't seem to learn from their mistakes either. I never said "Echo" was good, to me it was awful and above all a wasted opportunity since she had a single ready and much more suitable for the contest. The performance visuals were like an advert for olympics gymnastics, everything but her dress (!) was wrong tbh. Hence why I don't know if trying again to please the viewers on purpose would be good idea considering the delegation we have, because let's face it... what you call "international music with french lyrics" is a minority in our music scene, and as all these people enjoy success, they'll never be interested in participating in the contest because it's kitsch, has-been, not worthy for anything in their career, and it's still supposed to look like a cheap freakshow.

If we take it from there, how can we change that? French people don't give a damn about the contest but they're always there to bash our contestant once we get our usual bottom final place, our delegation does not make any real effort - and if they do - then they can't do nothing more! Pretty much all our famous artists - even our national floppers - don't want to go (for various reasons), so we're stuck with amateurish neverbeens and rejects of talent shows. Above all else, our delegation does not know what to send musically, it's always entries that have nothing to do with our music scene.

 

[toinou03]

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Yeah, I don't know but I think that the problem is more on the level of France 2 than on what French singers do... Indeed, almost no one makes music here in order to hit an international market, and when it's done, it's by chance. But I think we can find lots of songs in many genres that could have done well in Eurovision. For instance, I already said it, but ten years ago, this would have rocked the stage !

We have great rock, great pop. We can go way beyond the variétés no one wants.

And indeed, it's noticeable that even someone like Julie Zenatti who has been around ESC for a looooong time don't want to enter and yet he last album debuted at the 162th position...

And even if we go to the bottom, we can show Europe that the song with the biggest airplay right now is :

and not the last song of Lisa Angell...

 

[tuorem]

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[MENTION=8798]toinou03[/MENTION] you know, I'm waiting for out next entry because after Lisa, I fear that the change of channel only increased the viewing figures and didn't improve the way our delegation is handling the contest. I don't want to be pessimistic, but after so many (mostly deserved) flops, it's tiring.

Julie Zenatti was indeed asked to participate in 2011, they wanted her to sing an entry similar to "Appelez-Moi Maria" from her album "Plus De Diva". She refused and then they chose Amaury, it's funny to see that they truly wanted a classical-inspired tune that year. To be honest, Julie would have been amazing, but what can you do?

Of course, we got talents here, but I still doubt France 2 is able to surprise us with a daring choice.

 

[ory26]

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French people don't give a damn about the contest but they're always there to bash our contestant once we get our usual bottom final place

They bash the contestant once they know the song

 

[tuorem]

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They bash the contestant once they know the song

Yes, but that's complete irony since most of them don't care about the contest. Basically, they criticize everything that's related to it.

 

[popavapeur]

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[MENTION=9195]tuorem[/MENTION] the problem is definitely France Televisions. I think another broadcaster would be great (maybe not TF1 but something like the Canal+ group (direct8))
and when i thought about the "international song" of course i Mean korean pop, that's just scandinavian songs/american songs sung in Korean and it works. if only we could do that, because we're bad composers but we have some good lyricists

 

[toinou03]

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For Mr [MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION]

 

[RainyWoods]

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Thank you so much much Mr [MENTION=8798]toinou03[/MENTION] I had no idea Lou Doillon had new music out. That song sounds very much a grower. I don't really have too much of a stong opinion on the first listen. However, I went onto her page and found this that I really like!

The Bright Moments Remix of Lou's "ICU" is still my favourite though. Gosh I adore that song

 

[Brandt]

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Patricia Kaas feat. Amandine Bourgeois

 

[Grinch]

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Please no ballads! Imo French sounds better with uptempo songs (even rap).

 

[ChernyVolk]

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Shy'M in an interview @ Le Grand B

Given the success we have, how we are received and the geopolitical reasons which make it hard to get good rankings, it would be an enormous risk that I don’t want to take now. I would be flattered…I like to take risks, but not that big!