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FRANCE 2012 - Anggun - Echo (You and I)

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Mickey
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Quent91 said:
I can accept that France put some english sentences into their songs. But a full english song as 2008 is not something to be proud of. it's a submission to another culture and it's like rejecting its own culture.
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It was an artily cool electro performer riding into the arena on a golf buggy while holding an inflatable globe. It was the Frenchest song they ever sent.
 
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Divine is one of the exceptions where I bore the English lyrics since they were not just a cheap way to attract international votes. Stil I would not have enjoyed the song less had it been in French, of course.
With Anggun it seems to be the opposite so I demand the song to be entirely in French honestly.
 
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Why not Indonesian? :lol: That'd be interesting...
 
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Mickey said:
Quent91 said:
I can accept that France put some english sentences into their songs. But a full english song as 2008 is not something to be proud of. it's a submission to another culture and it's like rejecting its own culture.
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It was an artily cool electro performer riding into the arena on a golf buggy while holding an inflatable globe. It was the Frenchest song they ever sent.
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Maybe not on first place of all entries (the language indeed waters down) but basically I do agree: It was French and it was authentic. However, that was a rare exception unfortunately. Many of ESC participants never have written in English before, would not have intended to do so actually but simply sell themselves out because of hopes for a higher position.
 
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And now we gotta have this discussion again..

We have to remember that this is a contest. People are voting for the songs they like the best, and some people (mostly women according to studies) are more likely to like a song with nice lyrics. This means that they may understand their own language + neighbours similar language and most problably English, if they have learned it in school. That is why it would be totally unfair for the other countries if the language rule would apply and that Ireland, Malta and UK are the only ones that can sing in the most universal language in Europe. Thats why I don't blame countries or singers that decides with songs in English or partly english, as long as it is for the good for the song (some songs shouldn't be translated for many reasons).

Now with France I am starting to look forward what Anggun is going to sing, it will be interesting! France has been really good recently and I don't think it will be totally awful this time either! ;)
 
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Schlagerman1 said:
And now we gotta have this discussion again..

We have to remember that this is a contest. People are voting for the songs they like the best, and some people (mostly women according to studies) are more likely to like a song with nice lyrics. This means that they may understand their own language + neighbours similar language and most problably English, if they have learned it in school. That is why it would be totally unfair for the other countries if the language rule would apply and that Ireland, Malta and UK are the only ones that can sing in the most universal language in Europe. Thats why I don't blame countries or singers that decides with songs in English or partly english, as long as it is for the good for the song (some songs shouldn't be translated for many reasons).
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Not that your analyze is wrong or anything, but it still remains a problem imo though. The juries should have guidelines to support use of native languages. I'm not really pro a compulsory language rule, but I think measures can be taken to promote the use in other ways.

I mean why are the juries even here if they have no clue about contemporary music, act biased towards countries, doesn't pay attention to the songs, doesn't care about local aspects (such as language and cultural influences) etc.... they should be "experts" now shouldn't they? Back during the non-televoting & language rule days, they (juries) also gave most support to songs in English and that were easy on the ear (which back then meant minimalistic local influences in most cases).

Ok, let's assume the public care "so much" for the lyrics (although I think this is a myth because ESC was never really known for its brilliant lyrics in the first place), then atleast juries could make some changes to this, but what I see is the opposite. As a matter of fact I feel the public are generally more open-minded to different local styles and use of native languages.
 
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The song will be revealed the 29th of January at 16h on France 3.

Source: the moderator of eurovision-fr.net
 
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