Eurovision 2030... What changes and what stays???
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ShoeFlo
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The country which I wish independence the most, is Basque country. It would be a great gain for the ESC, especially because of the special language
OK and from your way of thinking then it would have been great for the eurovision song contest to have for example Crete, Baden-Wurttemberg, Sicily, Flanders, Wallonia alongside Scotland, Catalonia & Basque country. All the countries of Europe, separated... :?
Jim,i didn't say i would like to see them independent,its their issue.
I see on tv and read on newspapers,that Scotland and Catalonia are interested for independence.
So,i suppose that in 15 years from now,they might be independent.
I see on tv and read on newspapers,that Scotland and Catalonia are interested for independence.
So,i suppose that in 15 years from now,they might be independent.
I think what might emerge in the following years is a competitor to the ESC. Namely, something like "The Voice of Europe", where winners from national or regional editions of The Voice would compete against each other. I'm noticing it's a stable (or increasing?) trend in Western Europe to send The Voice/Pop Idol/Star Academy winners to the ESC. I'm not very fond of this recent development, mostly because I feel the most memorable ESC songs and performances were achieved by established artists (Sertab, Ruslana, Patricia Kaas, Kaliopi, to name but a few) and not by talent show has-(never)-beens. That's why I would welcome a competitor to the ESC in the form of "The Voice of Europe", because it would force changes and reforms in the ESC, and I think it needs and deserves it.
NemesisNick
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Why split Belgium into Flanders and Wallonia? As it is Belgium isn't all that big, but at least it's bigger than pathetically minute Luxembourg which I've said about somewhere else. Splitting Belgium in two would make two ridiculously little countries, not worth having as separate countries. Keep Belgium as one country, Belgium.
Although Crete is an island, it's part of Greece. Why bother making it a separate country in its own right? The same goes for Sicily, although it's an island, it's part of Italy, and should stay that way.
Do we really want any more countries in the ESC? There's enough as it is. Look what happened with the break-up of Yugoslavia, until 1992 they entered as one country, and hence one song, Yugoslavia. Now a full representation of the former Yugoslavia requires six separate entries, i.e. Slovenia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, FYR Macedonia.
"Pathetically minute" Luxembourg is very glad to be independent, and there is no changing that. Size matters not. This is not to say I'm not sad of the recent developments in Belgium, but as long as it is a peaceful and negotiated process there is no moral objection to a split, however unlikely it is.
Back to the subject, I would welcome a Flemish *and* Walloon/Brussels entry every year to the ESC. Why? Because the RTBF keeps sending BS, whilst the VRT at least once in a while sends something worthwile, like Kate Ryan or Tom Dice. A very pragmatic vision, you see, haha!
Well,to be honest,they are some people who wants independence of Crete,they also have a flag.
A-lister
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This is where we're heading currently, and is KILLING the contest...
I don't understand why the longest running and most popular music show on the planet even need to adapt to these awful copycat formulas... ?
Well, atleast in Sweden interest for these kareoke contests are dying, so there's hope that'll be the case in the rest of Europe aswell... I hope and think that in the end of the day Eurovision will be the last standing because it's unique and far above the rest... it doesn't need to copy these concepts when it has a strong concept on its own that has been working for 50+ years.
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I think this would have happen by 2030:
Portugal, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Iceland will all have won ESC for the first time.
Russia will win ESC two more times. Ukraine, France, UK, Sweden, Serbia, Denmark and Turkey will win one more time. The other winners is more uncertain.
Italy will jump back and forth in the contest, but will in the early 2020s start to compete every year.
Montenegro and Czech Republic will come back to the contest. Liechtenstein will debut in early 2010s and Kosovo will debut in late 2020s.
ESC will change the rules to allow pre-recorded backing singers and allowing 8 people on stage.
And Asiavision will have started by late 2010s!
Two Eurovision winners predicted and Montenegro came back
Let's make an another one in 2013! 
And then only Ireland wins?
NemesisNick
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Good point there. Ireland won in 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1996; UK won in 1997. It was rumoured that Ireland had an advantage by being one of the few countries allowed to sing in English, and that the introduction of the "any language" rule in 1999 was to try and get other countries to win. Does anyone know if that was really the reason for introduction of the free language rule in 1999, or were there other reasons for that change?
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Well, they should be forced to sing in Irish and Malta must sing in Maltese... which I guess will leave us with only UK winning
Jokes aside, something really must be done against the English take-over... what I dunno at the moment. I still believe juries should have a responsibility here somehow.
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I think English is the most connecting language ever. It´s the language I´m using right now.
If you want to make the people understand what you want to express with your music, you shold use english.
We would not be able to show a part of the music of our countries, if there was no Free-language-rule.
The worst thing are the people who say "let us translate this song". If a song is written in German, Irish, Dutch, Albanian etc. then you should sing it in that language.
With a great song (nearly?) every country can win.
If you want to make the people understand what you want to express with your music, you shold use english.
We would not be able to show a part of the music of our countries, if there was no Free-language-rule.
The worst thing are the people who say "let us translate this song". If a song is written in German, Irish, Dutch, Albanian etc. then you should sing it in that language.
With a great song (nearly?) every country can win.
Probably. But IMO we never had the chance to see if the public would always choose the English song, because the only year with 100% televote and 100% language rule was 1998.
Interestingly, juries were brought back after a non-English song won.
Is the audience really allergic to non-English songs? Or is it really the juries?
That's what I would like to aim for with my idea of the Voice of Europe. Establish the latter as a pop contest where everyone can participate in any language it wishes, and refocus the ESC on the promotion of national languages and culture. Maybe even scrap the points system and rotate the Contest independent of results. Yeah I know, blasphemy.
Liam
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I like the free-language rule. So what if someone wants to sing their song in English, or a more understood language than their own? Sure it might be more interesting to hear other languages, but it's not like most of Europe will understand the meaning of the song. Some songs, such as Molitva, France 2009, Albania 2012 and Portugal 2010, to use recent examples work really well in their national language as the emotion was conveyed universally and they all had a great impact on me, even if I couldn't understand the lyrics. But then you have all the winners since 2005 (exc. Serbia), which worked in English more than they would in any other language. Some songs have a special message that must be heard in English, and some have a special emotion which speaks stronger than any language. Then you have songs like Romania 2012 (which wasn't sung in Romanian, but Spanish and English) which is a fun, carefree song. The lyrics aren't particularly important for people to understand, but the English chorus is simple and you can sing along to it. The English chorus was the key to that song's success, not that it did EXTREMELY well, but well enough.