EUROVISION 2023 - General Discussion thread

[ESC United Mod Team]

This thread is for any general Eurovision 2023 discussion not limited to or specifically about any country's national selections or song choices.

 

[empo21]

With each year, Eurovision songs becoming more and more commercially successful post-show is something great for the future of the contest and the type of artists that would participate.

The way this wouldn't happen even 8, even 5 years ago shows the power of streaming and tiktok is helping eurovision artists a lot.

 

[crashworld]

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unprecedented 4 entries in top 10

All the ESC entries in the UK Top 100 Singles Chart (with the UK's televote positions in the brackets):

2. Sweden (6th)
6. Finland (1st)
9. UK (-)
10. Norway (4th)
45. Israel (8th)
48. Austria (12th)
56. Poland (3rd)
63. Belgium (5th)
79. Australia (9th)
92. Cyprus (11th)
94. France (18th)
95. Ukraine (7th)

All the top 10 in the UK's televote made it to the chart except Lithuania (who is 2nd) and Moldova (who is the 10th).
Guess the Lithuanian diaspora turned up for the televoting but not giving the song some streams. And France making an appearance despite in the 18th of the UK televote.

 

[Andromache]

Yeah, it's really great to see how Eurovision is growing. One thing that I love about Eurovision is that it gives european artists, especially those from smaller countries, a platform to promote their music. It always makes me happy when I see these artists like Sudden Lights for example being excited about their streaming numbers after Eurovision. The western music scene is unfortunately dominated by US artists (though it seems that the US is declining a little and the charts are becoming more diverse with music from South America and Kpop). I hope this trend continues!

 

[Loindici]

One aftermath of this is Cazzi Opeia being a monster songwriter. Conquering two Eurovisions, and one of the most well-known songwriters in K-pop. All she needs left is one Billboard hit I suppose?

 

[Mainshow]

With each year, Eurovision songs becoming more and more commercially successful post-show is something great for the future of the contest and the type of artists that would participate.

The way this wouldn't happen even 8, even 5 years ago shows the power of streaming and tiktok is helping eurovision artists a lot.

Strangely, it's the other way round in Germany.
We saw up to 14 songs debuting at our official Single Charts a decade ago whilst streaming kills their chances nowadays. Now we're "lucky" when 2-3 songs are about to get a chart entry.

 

[gigi_copp3]

Songs charting in (wk 12/5-18/5)
#4 Due Vite
#24 Tattoo
#33 Queen of Kings
#54 Snap 2022
#85 Cha Cha Cha

 

[heke1988]

Respect to this Eurovision fan and musician, who has put her time and effort to analyze this year's juries members, backgrounds and ages.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Respect to this Eurovision fan and musician, who has put her time and effort to analyze this year's juries members, backgrounds and ages.

Yup just came to post it. Unlike fanwankers for juries and Swedish pop, Rachel made a statistical breakdown of juries according to education, age, music style, etc, and showed how the jury system worked to the detriment of vast majority of this year's contestants.

God bless her as a person who works with facts, not with prejudices, biases or influenced by opinion-makers or bandwagoners.

 

[Mainshow]

Thanks for posting that video! I've been saying that juries support "generic pop music, ballads performed in English" for a while now but it was more my "gut feeling" - I applaud Rachel for coming up with so many examples, some data to back this up. What an incredible video!

not getting any points from the oldest juries whereas getting tons of points from the younger ones speak volumes as well.
I thought that age might be an issue (I'm glad she provided some data) but it's indeed shockingly overwhelming that 50%+ of the jury members were pop musicians and less than 5% from an folk/ethnic music background whilst both parts were kinda equally represented in Eurovision this year. Of course, ethnic and non-Western pop music got heavily voted down by the "professional" juries.

The last part of the video is important and seriously, the EBU should watch it and adjust the voting system based on her suggestions.

 

[nudiecrudi]

I watched the video also. It's a very accurate and detailed analysis, she has done a great serious job.
There are some aspects that I would consider.
1.The analysis should be extend at least for the last 5 years. We've had different jury winners or different genres placing high through the years, even this year we have had 4 different genres in top 4.
2. Being 50 years old doesn't mean you don't have the capacity to judge a song sang by a teen or a GenZ singer. Generally who produce the songs or the artistic directors of discographic labels are around 40-50 years old.
3. Emotional connection. We are talking about music and not gimnastic exercises or skating skills. If a song is performed well, staged perfectly but somehow doesn't connect with the inner part and doesn't transmit any emotions to a juror how could it be objective.
4. Cultural background. Just to make an example. In Italy ESC isn't that much a big deal so most of the jurors have superficial knowledge about what are going to judge. Our jury is composed by different professionals, all competent but mainly in the italian music industry which has some peculiarities. A song like Cha cha cha would has been butchered by the critics or experts if presented in Sanremo ( this song isn't ranked so high in our charts, around 90th place) because is so far of what musically and culturally we are used to, esc fan excluded. Or Duje. How these experts or professionals can judge objectively something that is so far from their musical and cultural background? Only because is out of the box? We don't have to think as esc lovers in this moment because the jurors aren't meant to be.

 

[b4ld3r]

I really don't care at all about the alleged block voting, it's inevitable in a contest where you vote for countries after all, but I still prefer the juries to stay because I think it's better for the contest if winners have some sort of commercial potential instead of just being novelty songs, which the juries in theory should ensure. No matter if you like those songs or not, Toy and Spirit in the Sky (and then in an alternate reality maybe Uno as well) winning back to back would unfortunately not exactly be good for the contest.

I just wish the juries would be much less conservative in terms of genre and languages, instead of in some cases punishing originality in favor of elevating very mid entries.

 

[Judas]

The way this wouldn't happen even 8, even 5 years ago shows the power of streaming and tiktok is helping eurovision artists a lot.

Haven't such songs as Fairytale, Satellite, Euphoria gone world-wide back in their days as well?

 

[crashworld]

ESC confirms that 144 countries have cast votes and the following countries from the ROTW that contributed most of the votes:

• USA
• Canada
• Kosovo
• Luxembourg
• New Zealand
• Mexico
• Hungary
• Slovakia
• UAE
• Türkiye
• Chile

Would love to know the breakdown of each country (how many votes were cast by each country) and how Israel got the top vote overall.

 

[AndroZeus]

ESC confirms that 144 countries have cast votes and the following countries from the ROTW that contributed most of the votes:

• USA
• Canada
• Kosovo
• Luxembourg
• New Zealand
• Mexico
• Hungary
• Slovakia
• UAE
• Türkiye
• Chile

Would love to know the breakdown of each country (how many votes were cast by each country) and how Israel got the top vote overall.

I would assume either Jewish diaspora in the US (though I don't know if that matters all that much, especially since Noa Kirel's music is not exactly deeply connected to Jewish culture) or the fact that the US loves trashy K-pop, which is essentially what Unicorn is...

 

[ESC94]

Last places in each countries televote:

 

[I bims]

Last places in each countries televote:

France has like no taste what the fuck

 

[ESC94]

France has like no taste what the fuck

We in deservedly sent to last place though.

On the other side is interesting as well. They might have reached the Top 10 but only because of concentrated support in a few countries, if they failed to reacht the point ranks they usually did that by a lot.

 

[MopManMoss]

I hate unicorn but don’t buy the whole Jews around the world voted for it that’s why it got the RoTW 12, just because you like rugelach doesn’t mean you’re gonna vote for Noa kirel

 

[AndroZeus]

I hate unicorn but don’t buy the whole Jews around the world voted for it that’s why it got the RoTW 12, just because you like rugelach doesn’t mean you’re gonna vote for Noa kirel

2nd rate K-pop won the American Song Contest televote by a landslide, so I'm assuming the Americans are to blame for Noa's 12 as well.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

In 2015, juries gave Sweden an 182 point advantage over Italy. A pity we hadn’t this voting system back then, because it would be gone by now

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hiyia! today i've worked out the results for eurovision 2015. here is the breakdown!original:1. Sweden 🇸🇪 365pts2. Russia 🇷🇺 303pts3. Italy 🇮🇹 292pts4....

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The juries were right: I'm Italian and I despise Grande Amore... One of our worst entries, imo.