EUROVISION 2023 - General Discussion thread

[ESC United Mod Team]

This thread is for any general Eurovision 2023 discussion not limited to or specifically about any country's national selections or song choices.

 

[Kant1]

Seeing EaEa be compared to Conan Oziris, Alvan, and Bulgaria 2013, Echo...yall just be saying anything

Spain may not do well, but these comparisons make no sense when one performance is miles ahead of the other 4 combined.

Agree.
Blanca has strong vocals, charisma, and an efficient camera work with her. Nothing comparable to the others
She doesn't have the running order though

 

[Loindici]

🇺🇦🇬🇧 Eurovision 2023: EBU Releases Statement on President Zelensky's Wish to Address The Contest - Eurovoix

The EBU has released a statement clarifying why the Ukrainian President can not address the Eurovision Song Contest 2023.

eurovoix.com

...eh?

 

[midnightsun]

when one performance is miles ahead of the other 4 combined.

And again. Performance X is miles ahead of performance Y. Who decides? It’s just arrogant. No artist is miles ahead! It just happens that some songs are more popular than others but apart from that, everyone has a different taste.

I really don’t think Spain‘s performance is great at all. Blanca has an incredible voice and she‘s perfect in her performance but the song and performance don‘t do it for me.

Eliza and Stojan on the other hand, to keep my example, were AMAZING! I wouldn’t say, however, they are miles ahead of anyone else or "out of anyone‘s league" (like fans of a certain artist wrote).

 

[MopManMoss]

So many fan press during second rehearsals were saying that San Marino looked better than Slovenia, what drugs do these people take

 

[Kant1]

So many fan press during second rehearsals were saying that San Marino looked better than Slovenia, what drugs do these people take

Must be a good one...

The French commentators were also really shocked yesterday after Slovenia's qualification, it shocked me

 

[hpp0]

Can someone explain to me why the order of either the semi-final rounds or the final rounds are not drawn? The fact that the delegations draw halves and production assigns them a running order seems totally unfair to me. Look at Czechia. Does it seem fair that we are one of the youngest countries at Eurovision and EVERY time it comes to the final (we have qualified five times) we get either 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 14th place from the EBU (with 14th place being first in the second half). Is this really fair? If this was a merit of draw, I can understand. But the running order is determined by the people!!! Then don't let the EBU be surprised that Eurovision has no popularity here (even if it is partly the broadcaster's fault) when they always assign us one of the first places. How is such a very unknown country supposed to make it in Eurovision when you always put it at the top which everyone forgets. In Czechia, everyone is focused on the result. If we do well, everyone appreciates the contest. When we don't do well, it's a political contest (yes this is what most Czechs think of Eurovision).

This is why I find the current system totally unfair.

We can only hope that there will be a longer break between Finland and Czechia.

They used to do it randomly up until 2012. Then they decided that, because the random draw could result into many similar entries being next to each other (for example having 5 ballads in the row, then 3 ethnic songs and then 5 dance songs) or the contenders for top 5 being all early in the show (this happened in the 2011 final), to have countries drawing halves (so that at least there is still a level of randomness) but having the producers deciding where each song performs so they avoid the above mentioned problems and having countries that require extra time to set up their props back to back.

Of course as you can understand no one can guarantee that their only criteria will be the technical aspect of each entry and the better flow of the show, that's why they place most favourites in the "good" spots and leave other in the cold. It is unfair but it is highly unlikely that they will change it.

 

[MopManMoss]

Must be a good one...

The French commentators were also really shocked yesterday after Slovenia's qualification, it shocked me

No offence but you will be in a very small minority of people that were surprised by Slovenia qualifying

 

[Kant1]

No offence but you will be in a very small minority of people that were surprised by Slovenia qualifying

I was shocked by them being shocked*

 

[Wynnter]

They used to do it randomly up until 2012. Then they decided that, because the random draw could result into many similar entries being next to each other (for example having 5 ballads in the row, then 3 ethnic songs and then 5 dance songs) or the contenders for top 5 being all early in the show (this happened in the 2011 final), to have countries drawing halves (so that at least there is still a level of randomness) but having the producers deciding where each song performs so they avoid the above mentioned problems and having countries that require extra time to set up their props back to back.

Of course as you can understand no one can guarantee that their only criteria will be the technical aspect of each entry and the better flow of the show, that's why they place most favourites in the "good" spots and leave other in the cold. It is unfair but it is highly unlikely that they will change it.

Can't they at least change the two halves to quarters or three sections instead?

 

[Zeus]

So many fan press during second rehearsals were saying that San Marino looked better than Slovenia, what drugs do these people take

San Marino was both vocally and staging-wise not that bad tbf

 

[Loindici]

🇺🇦🇬🇧 Eurovision 2023: EBU Releases Statement on President Zelensky's Wish to Address The Contest - Eurovoix

The EBU has released a statement clarifying why the Ukrainian President can not address the Eurovision Song Contest 2023.

eurovoix.com

...eh?

So from what I've read Zelensky wanted to send a 2.5-minute video of him addressing or basically asking for support in the ongoing war, but EBU rejects his proposal because "the event is non-political".

 

[Looren]

Must be a good one...

The French commentators were also really shocked yesterday after Slovenia's qualification, it shocked me

Yeah well you know, French commentators most of the time don't really know much about the contest

I started watching ESC on German TV 'cause of that, since I don't understand German I can't be annoyed by what they're saying lmao

 

[harey]

@Looren the worst thing is that it was Anguun, a former French representative, but she really seemed so out of touch. For example, on SF1 she kept saying things like "ooh, they didn't qualify since 2022, it's really great for them!!!" for Sweden, as if 2022 was 20 years ago and they were underdogs.

 

[Looren]

@Looren the worst thing is that it was Anguun, a former French representative, but she really seemed so out of touch. For example, on SF1 she kept saying things like "ooh, they didn't qualify since 2022, it's really great for them!!!" for Sweden, as if 2022 was 20 years ago and they were underdogs.

Omg not her xD

Well I like her but gosh yeah that's so amateurish

I love how she's still complaining about her 2012 flop lmao

 

[crashworld]

Funneh

 

[hpp0]

Can't they at least change the two halves to quarters or three sections instead?

I was also thinking about that today. That it would be better to have quarters with 7-6-7-6 positions.

I don't know, I guess if no one complains about it (from the delegations), they will probably keep it as it is.

 

[HarryUK]

After almost 2 days of SF1, the youtube views for the qualifiers + autoqualifiers are:

1. Croatia (2.1mil)
2. Finland (1.9mil)
3. Israel (1.8mil)
4. Sweden (1.6mil)
5. Norway (991k)
6. Czechia (840k)
7. Serbia (786k)
8. France (712k)
9. Moldova (655k)
10. Portugal (653k)
11. Italy (606k)
12. Switzerland (402k)
13. Germany (396k)

Makes me wonder if Croatia is actually the televote winner instead of Finland?

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if I hear “Croatia, you got from the televote, 325 points” on Saturday

 

[harey]

Omg not her xD

Well I like her but gosh yeah that's so amateurish

I love how she's still complaining about her 2012 flop lmao

The whole thing just sounded like she was reading her text for the first time live on tv. I really didn't like it. I'm not the biggest fan of Andre Manoukian but he sounded way more professional (he liked Latvia, I have to be nice to him) but yeah, it was funny how they reacted to Slovenia qualification saying "oh the band of friends made it through" just pretending they were a bunch of friends making this for fun while they are a band, a successful band in their country.

 

[Looren]

The whole thing just sounded like she was reading her text for the first time live on tv. I really didn't like it. I'm not the biggest fan of Andre Manoukian but he sounded way more professional (he liked Latvia, I have to be nice to him) but yeah, it was funny how they reacted to Slovenia qualification saying "oh the band of friends made it through" just pretending they were a bunch of friends making this for fun while they are a band, a successful band in their country.

Yeah well that's really very amateurish

Ngl the only one I like for the French commentators is Laurence Boccolini, at least she cares about the contest

And I strongly dislike Stéphane Bern, dude should stay at his Secrets d'Histoire, 'cause he really doesn't know anything about Eurovision

The worst tho was Carla in JESC, Stéphane and her just acted like shit, after most of performances being like : "yeah it's alright... but Lissandro is much better" I just can't stand stuff like that

 

[Kant1]

The whole thing just sounded like she was reading her text for the first time live on tv. I really didn't like it. I'm not the biggest fan of Andre Manoukian but he sounded way more professional (he liked Latvia, I have to be nice to him) but yeah, it was funny how they reacted to Slovenia qualification saying "oh the band of friends made it through" just pretending they were a bunch of friends making this for fun while they are a band, a successful band in their country.

Anggun was clearly reading her papers, she didn't even try to hide it...

André Manoukian is an interesting guy, I really like his personality... but he knows nothing about Eurovision tbh...