EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[lacrymea]

Anyways:

1. Kaarija has 2nd biggest televote in ESC history, he leveled Sobral's record.

2. Kaarija has 12's from 18 participating countries.

3. Kaarija has 10's from 8 more countries and Rest of the World.

Congratulations Finland, you have won!

Now let's forget this farce and pretend ESC 2023 has not happened at all.

Trust me, Sweden ain't gonna be a winner for a long long time after this.

Good night.

Eurovision fans were already fed up with Sweden in the last years. This was the icing on the cake.

 

[NeoTen]

So here are all the final televoting and jury results split detailed. We bookies are quicker than Wikipedia once again! It was fun reading all your comments again this year.

SF1: https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336511
SF https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336673
PS: Nothing against UK or my Germany, I just hit the forum image limit. That's why their flags are missing.

R/O	Half	Country	Participant	Song	Points (Jury + Televote) - Click on picture to enlarge	RankSort Descending
9	1st half	Sweden		Tattoo	583	1st
13	1st half	Finland		Cha Cha Cha	526	2nd
23	2nd half	Israel		Unicorn	362	3rd
11	1st half	Italy		Due Vite	350	4th
20	2nd half	Norway		Queen of Kings	268	5th
19	2nd half	Ukraine		Heart Of Steel	243	6th
16	2nd half	Belgium		Because Of You	182	7th
12	1st half	Estonia		Bridges	168	8th
15	2nd half	Australia		Promise	151	9th
14	2nd half	Czechia		My Sister's Crown	129	10th
22	2nd half	Lithuania		Stay	127	11th
7	1st half	Cyprus		Break A Broken Heart	126	12th
25	2nd half	Croatia		Mama ŠČ!	123	13th
17	2nd half	Armenia		Future Lover	122	14th
1	1st half	Austria		Who The Hell Is Edgar?	120	15th
6	1st half	France		Évidemment	104	16th
8	1st half	Spain		Eaea	100	17th
18	2nd half	Moldova		Soarele şi Luna	96	18th
4	1st half	Poland		Solo	93	19th
3	1st half	Switzerland		Watergun	92	20th
24	2nd half	Slovenia		Carpe Diem	78	21st
10	1st half	Albania		Duje	76	22nd
2	1st half	Portugal		Ai Coração	59	23rd
5	1st half	Serbia		Samo Mi Se Spava	30	24th
26	2nd half	United Kingdom		I Wrote A Song	24	25th
21	2nd half	Gerrmany		Blood & Glitter	18	26th

 

[midnightsun]

Trust me, Sweden ain't gonna be a winner for a long long time after this.

Probably. They got what they wanted and sacrificed Loreen for that without hesitation. Actually I feel a bit sorry for her. They knew exactly what would happen if she didn’t win the televote yet they let her win the jury vote with a LANDSLIDE although they knew she didn’t even win the semi (nobody tell me the teams do not know about the results; I know they do).
They were her throwing in the shark pool yet they did everything so desperately to push her to victory.

 

[AliceEsc]

Sweden's win of course is fair according to the rules, but it feels so wrong in so many levels. It just enhances even more what many of us have been saying about the juries over the years. This system needs to be fixed, or we'll be here year after year discussing the same things.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Probably. They got what they wanted and sacrificed Loreen for that without hesitation. Actually I feel a bit sorry for her. They knew exactly what would happen if she didn’t win the televote yet they let her win the jury vote with a LANDSLIDE although they knew she didn’t even win the semi (nobody tell me the teams do not know about the results; I know they do).
They were her throwing in the shark pool yet they did everything so desperately to push her to victory.

The ratio of likes : dislikes on her Grand Final performance video is 1 : 3 in favour of dislikes.

I don't feel sorry for her. For the first time ever have I heard during live broadcast Croatian commentator, who is 55 yrs old and super sweet guy, complaining about her queen syndrome behaviour during press conference. She wasn't forced into anything.

 

[Ezio]

I really didnt expect 3 Big 5 countries to bottom in the televote.

Serbia in the bottom 5 shows how vulnerable it is without most of their neighbours, but also Austria didnt vote for them for the first time, which is crazy, because this song was so much better than their abominal 2018 entry. Or Austro-Serbs joined Croats to vote for Let 3, who got 10 points from us. Usually Croatia falls behind Serbia, since their diaspora here is not as massive.

And Portugal and Austria basically tied 5th in the bottom 5. Yikes! 121 televoting points less in the final for Austria.

But "running order doesn't really matter" will continue in debates to come. Cesar Sampson prepped Teya & Salena that they would finish 5 places lower due to their running order. He himself saw his televote diminished in 2018 likewise.

Besides that, Romania 0 points goes to show that their diaspora wasn't enough for a single point.

The new diaspora powerhouses are Albania and Ukraine, joining Lithuania, Poland and Latvia.

 

[ollibox]

So here are all the final televoting and jury results split detailed. We bookies are quicker than Wikipedia once again! It was fun reading all your comments again this year.

SF1: https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336511
SF https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336673

R/O	Half	Country	Participant	Song	Points (Jury + Televote) - Click on picture to enlarge	RankSort Descending
9	1st half	Sweden		Tattoo	583	1st
13	1st half	Finland		Cha Cha Cha	526	2nd
23	2nd half	Israel		Unicorn	362	3rd
11	1st half	Italy		Due Vite	350	4th
20	2nd half	Norway		Queen of Kings	268	5th
19	2nd half	Ukraine		Heart Of Steel	243	6th
16	2nd half	Belgium		Because Of You	182	7th
12	1st half	Estonia		Bridges	168	8th
15	2nd half	Australia		Promise	151	9th
14	2nd half	Czechia		My Sister's Crown	129	10th
22	2nd half	Lithuania		Stay	127	11th
7	1st half	Cyprus		Break A Broken Heart	126	12th
25	2nd half	Croatia		Mama ŠČ!	123	13th
17	2nd half	Armenia		Future Lover	122	14th
1	1st half	Austria		Who The Hell Is Edgar?	120	15th
6	1st half	France		Évidemment	104	16th
8	1st half	Spain		Eaea	100	17th
18	2nd half	Moldova		Soarele şi Luna	96	18th
4	1st half	Poland		Solo	93	19th
3	1st half	Switzerland		Watergun	92	20th
24	2nd half	Slovenia		Carpe Diem	78	21st
10	1st half	Albania		Duje	76	22nd
2	1st half	Portugal		Ai Coração	59	23rd
5	1st half	Serbia		Samo Mi Se Spava	30	24th
26	2nd half	United Kingdom		I Wrote A Song	24	25th
21	2nd half	Gerrmany		Blood & Glitter	18	26th

Nice work! Please do Estonia as well?

 

[NeoTen]

So some small notes to end it;

• Albania.....Oh my f.. god... received 12 points of the ROTW.
• Cyprus did get 12 points from Greece in the SF.
• Latvia was third in the ROTW vote, opening up a possibility for future editions.
• 4(!) countries received more 12 points than Sweden in SF1: Israel, Finland, Moldova and even Portugal!
• The western countries seem to gain more from the ROTW as it appears Western, SE-Asian folks vote a lot as songs that fit their music charts are up there, making the ESF more Swedish once again.... and a little Albanian.
• You saw it right. Nobody from the televoting gave Sweden 12 points. 18 gave Finland.

 

[NeoTen]

Nice work! Please do Estonia as well?

Switched them. Should be good now. Ping me if not. I'll still be awake for a few hours.

 

[ollibox]

Switched them. Should be good now. Ping me if not. I'll still be awake for a few hours.

All good! Thank you!

 

[0scar]

and even Portugal!

Living for this

 

[midnightsun]

Her queen syndrome behaviour

I feel the same about her for a long time but, however, Swedish responsibles pushed her so much it’s no wonder. That’s why I feel sorry. They established her for their agenda and it worked.

 

[Skymnos]

I tell you right now as I told before - I BET Estonia wasn't borderline in the semi!

Yep, it was

 

[NeoTen]

Yep, it was

30 points man. Isn't that a bit harsh?

In fact, Estonia's Margin was the biggest margin of a 10th place country on a 11th placed country in 14 years.

 

[microfibretowel]

top 5 prediction
1 Sweden
2 Finland
3 France
4 Spain
5 Israel

Bottom 3
24 Portugal
25 Germany
26 Poland

I got the top 2 right and then it trailed off from there

 

[Zeus]

I would say with juries Latvia would've qualified but idk anymore now juries all of a sudden tend to vote for big unicorns on screen and floor gymnastics

 

[Ezio]

Australia and Austria went from Top 2 in the semi to bottom 2 out of this semi in the GF. Absolutely crazy. Austria actually was the least voted for act out of semi 2 ultimately.

But we had the honour of opening the GF, yay

 

[PlasticToad]

Australia and Austria went from Top 2 in the semi to bottom 2 out of this semi in the GF. Absolutely crazy. Austria actually was the least voted for act out of semi 2 ultimately.

But we had the honour of opening the GF, yay

Tbh, it's stuff like this that makes me appreciate juries. They were totally screwed over televote-wise and it's almost impossible to counter that - someone's always got to go first... Idk why they put Finland after like 3 ballads in a row too, it had a similar effect to Moldova last year. But if they'd done it in a different way I'm sure I'd find some problem with it too. Running order is a big issue when there's 26 countries in the final. Sometimes I wonder if there should be less...

 

[Jokuc]

1. They did get 12 points from televote
2. They didn't win over a competitor with efin 2ND BIGGEST TELEVOTE IN ESC HISTORY

You really cannot be that much of Sweden's fanwanker not to realize how desperately WRONG this result is!

How is it wrong? Judges are equally important in the voting process as the public vote and have always been. It's not wrong just because you don't like their decision lol. You can argue you don't like the judge system but this is the system we have right now, she won fair and square.

 

[Ezio]

Tbh, it's stuff like this that makes me appreciate juries. They were totally screwed over televote-wise and it's almost impossible to counter that - someone's always got to go first... Idk why they put Finland after like 3 ballads in a row too, it had a similar effect to Moldova last year. But if they'd done it in a different way I'm sure I'd find some problem with it too. Running order is a big issue when there's 26 countries in the final. Sometimes I wonder if there should be less...

I was also wondering about these three ballads. They should have put us in between there. But with 2 points more than Loreen in the semi, we were an apparent threat.

The running order also did Australia dirty. They won the semi and were at the beginning of the second half. The early slots in the second half also a notorious for underscoring.