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Lineker continues its smear campaign against Italy. In the opinion of this individual there was no red card for Danielson's slippery and dangerous slip entry. Unfortunately for him there is the VAR and everyone said that referee Orsato did the right thing. What Lineker fears Ukraine? Or is he afraid that we Italians are complicating the plans of the English national team? It must be said that before Euro 2020 becomes England 2020 from the semifinals ... you have to go through Rome. This is scary. However, nonsense aside, if we have to evaluate the arbitration of Orsato (fair) and that of Taylor who allowed Austria to bludgeon our players from the first minute without a yellow card and in compensation he cautioned Di Lorenzo (for a non-existent foul ) and Barella for protests, who is making strategy? Not Italy.

Since the beginning of the European championship I have seen people like Neville, Lineker, Barthez and Vieira raging against the Italian national team. For our part, we have always had respect for everyone and our players have said that, while not sharing the Black Lives Matter (not joining does not mean not fighting racism), they will kneel together with Belgium as a sign of respect for the creed of the opposing team. I can say that Martinez of Belgium is a great gentleman compared to these curmudgeons. I'm sorry "the class is not water".
 

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So my wishes for the winners of the Round of 16:

Wales - Denmark ---> Wales

Italy - Austria --> Italy

The Netherlands - Czech Republic --> The Netherlands

Belgium - Portugal --> Belgium

Croatia - Spain --> Croatia

France - Switzerland --> Switzerland

England - Germany --> Germany

Sweden - Ukraine --> Ukraine

So 4/8 went to quarter-finals from my wish list.

Here is my wishes for the winners of the quarter-finals:

Switzerland - Spain ---> Switzerland

Belgium - Italy ---> Belgium (although I won't mind, if Italy wins this)

Czech Republic - Denmark --> Czech Republic (Now Germany is out, I want Czech Republic to win European Championship)

Ukraine - England ---> Ukraine
 

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In the opinion of this individual there was no red card for Danielson's slippery and dangerous slip entry.
If that happenned against English team, he would have been the first screaming "It's all deserved! Danielson almost killed our boy" :lol:
Waiting for the BBC to hit another rock bottom and post another Ukrophobic article, finding all the dirt they could find and making up stories that would put Soviet propahanda to shame (like they've done many times before).

It's obvious they see themselves in the final with Italy, so they've already started to throw shit. Closer to the final their despair will only intensify.
 

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Danielson appeared to be more decent than English "experts" and personally :) apologized to Besedin yesterday.

Ps. Besedin is in Kyiv hospital (got transported by charter flight). Preliminarily there will be no surgery. He's got a broken bone (no displacement) and partially injured cruciate, internal and external ligaments. He will skip half a year because of injury.
 
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If that happenned against English team, he would have been the first screaming "It's all deserved! Danielson almost killed our boy" :lol:
Waiting for the BBC to hit another rock bottom and post another Ukrophobic article, finding all the dirt they could find and making up stories that would put Soviet propahanda to shame (like they've done many times before).

It's obvious they see themselves in the final with Italy, so they've already started to throw shit. Closer to the final their despair will only intensify.
I am disconcerted by this unsportsmanlike nature of some Englishmen (I hope they are not all like that) and this "sense of superiority" of the English national team makes me smile. Every year, especially the most successful national teams in the world, we have to put up with their delusional judgments and we have to accept that they are always the favorites to win every tournament. I wonder, are they favorites from above of what? 1 World Cup in 1966 (won at home with arbitrage clearly in favor and a "ghost goal"?), 2 third places at the World Championships in 1990 and 2018 and 1 third place in the Nations League of 2018-2019? Let's forget the absence of Olympic medals and Confederations Cup. Without ever having played a final every year every year we have to listen “It's comiiiing hoooome!!!" This security of theirs, which often goes beyond reality, is pleasant for me on the one hand because it always means having a feeling of hope and determination but their too much security gives me a sense of tenderness because they continue, from the top of a proclaimed superiority, to do "slime figures" and to go home after each low-brim competition like children who have been scolded by their parents. I think they should also stop singing that song obsessively because it brings bad luck.

If England had met the real Germany yesterday and not a team at the "end of the Löw cycle", we would have seen another result. Yesterday's victory over Germany is just as good as Germany's over Portugal. England should remain humble as Ukraine is a very dangerous team.

I agree with you Aleks, with reversed parts, if an Englishman had suffered the foul, pandemonium would have broken out! Why doesn't Lineker talk about the behavior of the fans who whistled the German anthem and of the people all crowded without masks in a period of "Delta variant"? Why don't you talk about Taylor's arbitrage? Taylor is the typical referee who penalizes teams that are uncomfortable for the English (he did it in the Europa League also against AS Roma, senselessly warning all the defense and penalizing us in the semifinals with Machester United). It's easy to say that other people's cloths are dirty and not care about their own. For me yesterday's refereeing was fair and Ukraine was able to win with the heart. I am honest, I would like to see Italy in the final but Belgium and perhaps Spain are very tough opponents. We will try. If we Italians lose in the final against Ukraine and Denmark, I would be happy for these teams. I would be happy to lose to humble teams who talk to their game rather than arrogant ones.
 

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To be fair, a lot of your observations are signs of more general xenophobic and stereotyping mentalities in the British media which aren't limited to Ukraine or Italy. Our media is just as bad for most countries outside of a select few for that sort of thing. Gary Lineker does not have some kind of specific agenda against Italy, that's ridiculous and all our other media completely agreed that it was a clear red card.

As for "it's coming home!" you're completely misunderstanding the meaning of this. For us it's a chant of hope in the face of despair - we continue to sing it even as we go down, because we still love and believe in our team. It's not arrogance or presumption, far from it.
 

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To be fair, a lot of your observations are signs of more general xenophobic and stereotyping mentalities in the British media which aren't limited to Ukraine or Italy.
They dislike even their own players. Imho, it's rather a hate/cancel culture that sells. Sometimes the BBC looks like a tabloid. And just like with Eurovision, there's a big disproportion between what people think and what the media try to sell.
To my pleasure British people are not like that. There was a mass hate campaign in the media against us when we hosted Euro 2012, with the BBC labeling us as racists and The Guardian blaming the whole country.
We received a lot of support from British people. English fans marched at a protest rally against British media, here in Ukraine. The black fans slammed the BBC, British human rights activists demanded excuses from the media. As a result, the majority posted positive articles, denying everything they said, but the BBC never apologized. In 2016 the BBC posted an article against Jamala, while quoting a high profile Russian communist and a person who funded Putin's villa and who's under sanctions ... *no comments*.

As for "experts"... there is a tough-guy culture in football which approves rough play, like... real men shouldn't complain, those VARs kill the game, too many yellow cards these days etc. Toxic masculinity is being used by xenophobic media as a weapons against the competitors. That's why we see the BBC promoting people who justify breaking legs and say it doesn't deserve a red card (despite a VAR check).
 
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To be fair, a lot of your observations are signs of more general xenophobic and stereotyping mentalities in the British media which aren't limited to Ukraine or Italy. Our media is just as bad for most countries outside of a select few for that sort of thing. Gary Lineker does not have some kind of specific agenda against Italy, that's ridiculous and all our other media completely agreed that it was a clear red card.

As for "it's coming home!" you're completely misunderstanding the meaning of this. For us it's a chant of hope in the face of despair - we continue to sing it even as we go down, because we still love and believe in our team. It's not arrogance or presumption, far from it.
I honestly don't understand why the interlocutor, when he talks about something the listener doesn't like, must be accused of xenophobia, racism, patriarchy and so on. It is a form of discreditation that only makes up for a lack of arguments. There is a saying "The deaf who does not hear at first voice means that they do not like the speech". Are we sure that the feeling of xenophobia is not located somewhere else? Brexit with the "regaining of sovereignty and the protection of borders"? The whistles of the German anthem? Does all this tell you something? It is useless to kneel for the "Black Lives Matter" and then disrespect a people's anthem.

However, what has been written and not edited is clear. I'll show you schematically:

-) Lineker and Neville have always had negative comments on Italy. They are not the only ones! Vieira and Barthez also did the same (then France was beaten by the "weak", according to them, Switzerland).

-) The English national team, historically, speak the facts, has always considered itself superior.

-) Lineker said Orsato's refereeing was shameful. The red card, however, is sacrosanct.

-) Taylor in Italy - Austria had a questionable yardstick.

-) If the England national team has never reached a final and has an empty board (I don't count 1966), why should Denmark be more favored than at least a well-deserved final and a well-deserved European title?

-) If in England, according to what the mass media say, there is a violent wave of "Delta variant" why were there no precautions? Why, in these conditions, which could favor a new lockdown in the future, were the semi-finals of the tournament assigned by UEFA (after the Superlega sentence was condoned to some English teams)?

-) I wrote that I appreciate - "It's coming home" but we know well that the meaning has been transcended. This is an excerpt from an article with a lot of source: "When The Lightning Seeds sang that" football was coming home "they were referring to the international tournament that England was hosting at home, for the first time after three decades of waiting. rest, as Thomas Johnson claims in the Washington Post, England was the cradle of modern football: so it was also sport itself - as the song claims - that returned home. Gradually, then, the meaning of the song changed and began to accompany the fans' hopes of being able to do well in the World Cup. The only victory is dated 1966, the last semifinal was played in Turin in 1990. In this summer 2018, "It's coming home" has become the way to exorcise the fears and hope that the team can really "win home." - I can understand the hope but why, if we are talking about a hope, have I always heard pedantic comments about the national teams that have won something? Why does the England national team think they are on the same level as those with 5 or 4 stars? Humanly we are all the same, every team can win a European or world championship but what should characterize "who did not win" from "who won" is ... humility. In the past even France and Spain had not been very successful but they knew how to work hard and now they can afford to say something. As I wrote to ElinaUA, only the winner can speak and can afford to be a little arrogant. It is ridiculous, I will give you an example on the Italian championship, that Crotone can afford to feel more successful than Juventus ... Let's go back to the concept of arrogance that you say that the English have never had on other national football teams. I saw a trivial but not very significant example ... if I remember correctly, there was an English film with Jason Statham where a guy in the English national team teased a child on the plane with the Italian national 'Italy had lost a friendly against Romania ... is this a joke? Ok, in fact, I laughed without getting nervous but ... are we sure that what Lineker thinks is not also thought by the majority of ordinary English citizens? I know England much more than you think and I can tell you that London is one thing, the rest of England is another. It is outside London where you can feel the true thinking of the English community, the same that made Brexit triumph in the referendum.

Gabe ... I can be annoying, at times unpleasant but I say things as they are. I always and only talk about facts but anyway I don't think I'm right. If through a civil speech you make me change my mind I will be happy to say "I was wrong".

If England wins the European Championship I will be happy for you, if Italy wins it I will be even happier and if the final is Italy - England ... with all respect and lack of xenophobia, get ready to lose xbeach:lol:
 

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Sooooo... It will be Belgium-Denmark. :sneaky:
 

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So finally the quarter finals beginning!

I think that Switzerland might win against Spain - and hope so! They way the fought back ... I hope they do the same against Spain!

As for Belgium - Italy, I like both teams and therefore keep my fingers crossed for both! I believe though that Belgium might make it!
 

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Okay, my prediction.
For round of 16 I got 4/8 right so 50% :) Which is not good, but not the worst either I guess.

For quarter finals I predict:
Belgium
Spain
Ukraine-England - this is hard, before match of Sweden-Ukraine I would have said 100% England, but now... that's their only game away and Ukraine got a good boost.. I'm still gonna say England, I fear Ukraine will get tired and England will decide the game + Ukraine's defence is still not perfect
Czech-Denmark - I guess it's gonna be quite an equal game, but I think Denmark is gonna win eventually

So right now I'd say semis are Spain-Belgium/England-Denmark
 
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No way Belgium's grandpa defense will be able to handle Insigne, Berardi and the like

And yes, Italian's central defense is even older but the difference is that Chiellini and Bonucci are still playing on a high international level, whereas Vermaelen is playing in the J-League and Vertonghen in the Portuguese league.

Even in their peak Vermaelen, Vertonghen and Alderweireld were not on a world-class level (especially compared to their attackers and midfielders) and you could see Belgium defense struggling both against Denmark and Portugal. But while Portugal just weren't efficient on that day (they created over 20 shots), Denmark generally lacks a clinical striker.
Belgium always wins with their individuel attacking power. Against Denmark they scored after counter attacks iirc and against Portugal it was due to a mistake of the Portugese keeper who misjudged the ball.
Relying on individual power won't be enough when they face well organized world-class teams. Moreover, the Italian defenders from Juventus know Lukaku well from Serie A and they how to defend him. Since he plays for Inter he has only scored once against Juventus (in May) and they nevertheless lost that match (Inter had already won the title on this day, but still...)

Belgium is a bit overrated here.
 

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Let's say it like that: the past years I guessed the games with rationality and was almost every time wrong. :ROFLMAO: This time I rather follow my gut feeling and had 6 from 8 right. If I follow my rationality, I would say Italy wins. If I follow my gut feeling, it'd be Belgium. If I had followed my rationality, France or The Netherlands would have won. :ROFLMAO:

No matter what, interesting games today and tomorrow! :love:

P.S. Ukraine, please kick England out tomorrow. xpray
 

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As for tonight:

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Poor :ch: :(

De Bruyne might not play tonight, if it's true then I think that Italy will win
 
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