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Estonia ESTONIA 2025 - Tommy Cash - Espresso macchiato
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Ted Talks
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I don’t. But then again I’m a grown up.
Shame Tommy isn’t. His kind of schtick is lazy, offensive and beyond cynical.
The fact he keeps good company with Joost says it all really…
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I've heard this regarding Joost a few times in this thread, but I really doubt that anyone in here knows him personally to make such claims.
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I still like the song, but the controversy is already so annoying.
This is going to be a rough ride and I fear that it will culminate in very tense eurovision week (again).
This is going to be a rough ride and I fear that it will culminate in very tense eurovision week (again).
Can we talk about Estonia's weird obsession with Italy? 3 of their last 9 entries have been in Italian (La forza), about Italy (Verona) or mocking it (Espresso macchiato).
Speaking as an Italian (although living abroad) - I really really dislike this. It leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. It feels insensitive and like my culture is being mocked. Some might interpret it in a more meta way - Tommy might be making fun of people who only see Italy for its stereotypes (espresso, mafia etc). But I think this isn't clear enough and it just seems like he's the one doing the mockery, in my opnion. It feels akin to writing a Eurovision song named Borscht and including lyrics about the KGB.
Of course, you can't downvote a song you dislike at Eurovision. Some Italians might find it endearing enough to vote for him - which could result in a decently high televote score from us. But personally the less I have to hear (or see) this performance, the better.
Speaking as an Italian (although living abroad) - I really really dislike this. It leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. It feels insensitive and like my culture is being mocked. Some might interpret it in a more meta way - Tommy might be making fun of people who only see Italy for its stereotypes (espresso, mafia etc). But I think this isn't clear enough and it just seems like he's the one doing the mockery, in my opnion. It feels akin to writing a Eurovision song named Borscht and including lyrics about the KGB.
Of course, you can't downvote a song you dislike at Eurovision. Some Italians might find it endearing enough to vote for him - which could result in a decently high televote score from us. But personally the less I have to hear (or see) this performance, the better.
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I would absolutely love such a song.
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Is the article posted somewhere?Ukrainian broadcaster posted an article about all of this adding that he abolished our border & visited Crimea illegally.
The bitch is cooked
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Ukrainian broadcaster posted an article about all of this adding that he abolished our border & visited Crimea illegally.
The bitch is cooked
If this is true, yeah this guy really is genuinely an idiot.
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Ukrainian broadcaster posted an article about all of this adding that he abolished our border & visited Crimea illegally.
The bitch is cooked
You know that he actually supports Ukraine and has stated that, right?
He has said: "It is very difficult to accept the war, it is all very sad! I am a firm opponent of any military aggression! And I fully support the people of Ukraine and the people of Russia who do not support the invasion, it is not their choice... This is an extremely sad situation and I really hope that I will be able to return to these beautiful countries soon to play new music there."
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I totally get Italy‘s point. I respect different tastes but on the other side I don’t get how people can actually find this song funny. It’s sooo pointless, silly and just bad, to say the least and furthermore it really is disrespectful in my opinion. There’s a big difference between doing such a song about your own culture or with cultural elements of another country.
And once again, all in all this song is no Cha cha cha, no Europapa, no Rim Tim Tagi Dim. Those were elaborate fun songs but this is just do random and not funny at all in my opinion.
And once again, all in all this song is no Cha cha cha, no Europapa, no Rim Tim Tagi Dim. Those were elaborate fun songs but this is just do random and not funny at all in my opinion.
Awesome! You can abolish border, but it doesn't count as long as you make a statement
https://suspilne.media/culture/9529...-akij-predstavit-estoniu-na-evrobacenni-2025/
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I get Italy's point, if another country made a similar song with that tone about ouzo or feta Id feel the same as a Greek.
Now, I dont want this to get disqualified, I want this in Basel, not because I like him ( he's part of the Mid Talent But Big Attitude trio anyway - Kaarija the founder, Joost and him ), but because its a somewhat strong entry and we need those more than ever.
It can also get some tele from Mans which is also a good thing
Now, I dont want this to get disqualified, I want this in Basel, not because I like him ( he's part of the Mid Talent But Big Attitude trio anyway - Kaarija the founder, Joost and him ), but because its a somewhat strong entry and we need those more than ever.
It can also get some tele from Mans which is also a good thing
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That article just says he visited Crimea in 2021. Nothing about "abolishing border", so you are just making stuff up, right? Also I noticed that the article has exactly the same quote of him that I posted. So you must have read it before, but I guess it does not fit your narrative to mention that.Awesome! You can abolish border, but it doesn't count as long as you make a statement
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I don't want this thread to become a political discussion, but I thought I'd chime in and say Russia occupied Crimea way before the 2022 invasion into Ukraine. Anyone entering Crimea under Russia's control is both entering it illegally (without permission from Ukraine) and essentially acknowledging that Crimea is Russia. I have no idea what Tommy Cash's intention was, and if there's any sort of justification for it (family living in Crimea)?
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Imagine him performing immediately after Lucio in an hypotetical final... That will really lower his chances, no doubt. By the way, I'm not really offended by It: it's full of clichès, yes, but I don't see how It can affect me as and Italian. To me Is just a try to catch viewers attention: there are lots of ways to do that, this Is just one of them. Will he succeed? Well, let's wait and see.
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I guess I'm going to be the one going against the crowd here, but I just have to say that you all need to chill the f down. I absolutely hate the modern necessity to make a big drama out of everything going on. Eurovision, at least for me, has always been a thing which I could use to relax, listen to some music - be it good music or bad music - and generally just have something to actually enjoy, seperate from the struggles of the day-to-day life. You can like Tommy Cash or you can not like him, it's perfectly understandable, but the discussion here has gone down the same road I have seen with many others, like last year's Ukraine representative for example. Who tf cares if Tommy visited Crimea or not? He collaborated with Litte Big in the past on many occasions and Little Big a Russian band. OMG a Russian band? Wow, so I guess I should also be canceled and looked into because my grandpa is from Russia. Come on guys, don't you realise how stupid those fake dramas are? And let's talk about the whole Italy thing too - Tommy is a freaking comedian. Yes, he is a singer, but he is and has always been a comedian. Are you Italians really so sensitive that any mention of your country in a ironic/satiric light immediately gets you so rallied up? I've seen many people here claiming they'd be mad, if somebody joked about their own country - but why? Are we really living in a world where one cannot even make a joke about any other country, culture, religion etc. because that's immediately insensitive? Yeah, hate me all you want, but to all those people I just want to say - please just grow up.
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I get where you're coming from man. Sometimes people do get carried away with outrage, and Eurovision should be a place to enjoy music without constant drama. But I think it's important to recognize that there’s a difference between overblown scandals and issues with real geopolitics implications.
Collaborating with Russian artists (such as your pointed out Little Big) isn’t inherently problematic, music transcends borders, and art can be a bridge. But entering Crimea is a different matter altogether. Visiting Crimea outside of Ukrainian approval isn’t just a random travel choice... it’s considered by Ukraine (and most of the international community) as supporting the illegal annexation by Russia, whether intentionally or not. It’s not about "canceling" someone because they know Russian people or have Russian relatives... that’s obviously ridiculous (I'm 25% Russian myself). It's about the broader implications of these actions... Especially when you have such a big platform as Tommy.
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I agree with not turning this thread into political discussion. That is what talking about him visiting Crimea and "abolishing border" is trying to do. Crimea has been occupied since 2014. It sounds great saying people who do not support aggression should stop living their lives and not visit Crimea for any reason. That is not how the real life works.
EBU banned Russia in 2022. Does that mean it supported occupation of Crimea for 8 years? I say no.
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I do.
He visited a part of Europe that has been illegally taken from a European country. And this was in 2021, AFTER russia had annexed Crimea.