Estonia ESTONIA 2025 - Tommy Cash - Espresso macchiato

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Judas]

The Mafia is a very serious thing, like a war, there have been deaths in Italy over the years and these stupid songs are disrespectful towards the victims and their relatives! Shame on you!!!

I know that I cannot understand the sensitivity of the subject for Italians since I didn't grow up in that culture and I can only imagine the circumstances as an outsider. However, during the few years I spent in Italy, the conversations between me and my Italian friends involved mafia as a subject of humor and did not receive a treatment of a sensitive topic. Also one of my Italian friends I met when I was in Italy has this song among his favorites. While I understand that it may be sensitive for some, I don't think that's a general opinion for everyone from Italy.

 

[goncalovieira]

Guys, it is just a funny song about italian stereotypes. We all make jokes about italians and how passionate they are about their culture.
It will be a hit on televote and a miss for juries. However, it will give hype to the contest. EBU needs that and they know it.

 

[sucof]

I know that I cannot understand the sensitivity of the subject for Italians since I didn't grow up in that culture and I can only imagine the circumstances as an outsider. However, during the few years I spent in Italy, the conversations between me and my Italian friends involved mafia as a subject of humor and did not receive a treatment of a sensitive topic. Also one of my Italian friends I met when I was in Italy has this song among his favorites. While I understand that it may be sensitive for some, I don't think that's a general opinion for everyone from Italy.

It's an institutional and common sense issue, not an issue of Italian friends who like songs. In Italy the fight against the mafia is a serious matter, which is told in schools and honored by the highest offices of the state every year, from the president of the republic to those who come down to honor the victims!
We wouldn't even dream of making a song like this!

 

[sucof]

It will be a hit on televote and a miss for juries. However, it will give hype to the contest. EBU needs that and they know it.

Stereotypes are fine, pizza, mandolin, super mario etc... but there is a limit to everything
I'm sure if he had stereotyped Gays or the LGBTQ+ community in that song you would all be outraged!!!!

 

[Bsimmons]

We should burn all the "Godfather" books and tapes of the "Godfather" movies, because there is a lot of mafia mentioned there. Also how dare the Americans have "The Sopranos" as one of the most successful TV-series of all time? Straight up spitting to Italians face. Declare the war, Italians!

 

[Mainshow]

Fans were complaining about the fact Joost was disqualified because of his actions in the backstage while Israel wasn't disqualified for their delegation's behavior.
Or the fact that Russia was kicked out and Israel wasn't. For many this was seen as double standard of the EBU and this is what the song is about. A critique of the EBU. Whether it's justified or not is another story, but it's understandable that Joost holds a grudge. Who wouldn't?

Edgelord lyrics like namedropping Trump are just attention seeking.

Not a single delegation officially complained about Israel's delegation in Malmö whilst that camera woman officially filed a report with the police on Joost and history happened backstage.

How could the EBU act if no one had officially complained?
There are things about the EBU to discuss, for sure. But that issue was run by a very loud and tiny minority (most of them were fans who weren't even at the scene).

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[Mainshow]

The vice president of the Italian senate Gian Marco Centinaio demands Tommy Cash/Espresso Macciato to be disqualified ("Whoever insults Italy, shouldn't take part in Eurovision") and the consumer advice center Codacons want to officially complain to the EBU!

Source: Rheinische Post

 

[Bsimmons]

By the way, Italians, it is your own fault that things have come this far. Remember "Verona" that Estonia sent to Eurovision?

I hope you do, because it started with Laura singing: "Sleeping all alone, You wake up with a bottle in your hands". That was Estonians clearly suggesting that all young Italian men, living in Verona at least and probably in whole Italy, are losers who can not find a partner to sleep with, so they have to drink themselves to sleep, and wake up next morning with bottle in their hands.

You did let that slide then, now we will do whatever we want.

 

[EscGeek]

Not a single delegation officially complained about Israel's delegation in Malmö whilst that camera woman officially filed a report with the police on Joost and history happened backstage.

How could the EBU act if no one had officially complained?
There are things about the EBU to discuss, for sure. But that issue was run by a very loud and tiny minority (most of them were fans who weren't even at the scene).

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True that. I was talking about fans specifically. But I'm not sure how tiny this minority was. To me it seemed like they were the majority.

 

[Mainshow]

True that. I was talking about fans specifically. But I'm not sure how tiny this minority was. To me it seemed like they were the majority.

Most people continued watching ESC, the public voted for Israel as well. A few hundreds signatures (of some who wouldn't have watched/participated in ESC anyway) and some fans boing aren't a majority, in my opinion.
They were simply loud, spammed the groups but I think that's a social media phenomenon anyway.
You can still see the same faces in big groups like Eurovision Fans United on FB. Every time Yuval's face can be seen or Israel's been mentioned, they post the same "We don't care.", "We don't want them".
It's quite funny when you reply that they obviously do care otherwise they wouldn't continue commenting on such posts.

 

[EscGeek]

Most people continued watching ESC, the public voted for Israel as well. A few hundreds signatures (of some who wouldn't have watched/participated in ESC anyway) and some fans boing aren't a majority, in my opinion.
They were simply loud, spammed the groups but I think that's a social media phenomenon anyway.
You can still see the same faces in big groups like Eurovision Fans United on FB. Every time Yuval's face can be seen or Israel's been mentioned, they post the same "We don't care.", "We don't want them".
It's quite funny when you reply that they obviously do care otherwise they wouldn't continue commenting on such posts.

Maybe you're right, but if that's the case, this loud minority still sucessfully converted lots of casuals and even in a way turned some participants against each other

 

[Paco Roca]

I don't understand why all this chaos. Those who complain about "Espresso Macchiato" are people or agencies that want to get noticed by exploiting the hype.

Why should an Italian be indignant? I have Italian friends who don't even pay attention to it. They don't appreciate the song just because it's poor and doesn't work well as a joke song.

For me, "Espresso Macchiato" mocks the stereotype of people abroad who experience Italy superficially. My Italian friends would rarely drink coffee in a plastic "Starbucks" container. I've never seen the red and white checked tablecloths when I've been to Italy. My friends explained to me that they mostly derive from the ancient traditions of some "osterie", "trattorie", "fraschette" but it's in the USA that they experienced their splendor. They could be defined as more Italian-American.

In my opinion, Tommy Cash... yes he can win with record public points. But he has to work hard on the song. He has to offer not only a crazy show but a better musical structure.

I don't think the singer's intentions are in bad faith. He's smart and knows that as soon as the fans hear Italian his eyes light up

 

[Lietuvis]

I don't think that the Estonian song needs much work. The whole point of the song is to be catchy - and IT IS extremely catchy and memorable. Show could be improved, yes. That would make it even more likely to win the first place. But even as it is now, I'm very certain it will finish in the top10, maybe even top5.

 

[Lietuvis]

Also, I'm convinced that Tommy Cash is actually a marketing genius. He's playing chess while all of you seething over this are playing checkers.

 

[gigi_copp3]

I don't think that the Estonian song needs much work. The whole point of the song is to be catchy - and IT IS extremely catchy and memorable. Show could be improved, yes. That would make it even more likely to win the first place. But even as it is now, I'm very certain it will finish in the top10, maybe even top5.

The song is good as it is. The problem is the staging: that dance needs to be scrapped asap.

Tommy should plan a staging that might get him at least 100 jury points if he wants to get a top 3 placement.

 

[Lietuvis]

The song is good as it is. The problem is the staging: that dance needs to be scrapped asap.

Tommy should plan a staging that might get him at least 100 jury points if he wants to get a top 3 placement.

I think it's subjective. I like the quirky dance. It doesn't need to be scrapped... I think it fits well within this unserious entry. But the show around the dance could be made more elaborate and memorable.

 

[Paco Roca]

Also, I'm convinced that Tommy Cash is actually a marketing genius. He's playing chess while all of you seething over this are playing checkers.

You're right. Like "the puppeteer" in Ghost in the Shell he's outwitting us all. He's a diabolical mastermind who can see 100 years ahead. Soon he'll team up with Joost and take over the world

 

[Lietuvis]

You're right. Like "the puppeteer" in Ghost in the Shell he's outwitting us all. He's a diabolical mastermind who can see 100 years ahead. Soon he'll team up with Joost and take over the world

 

[lasse braun]

that dance

is THE DANCE!

 

[BorisBubbles]

Let him keep the dance. Everything that lowers his chances is good in my book. :-)