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It's time for the rehearsals to finally get underway for Eurovision 2024 at Malmö Arena! 37 countries will begin their preparations for this year's contest today, with over two weeks of coverage to come from the ESC United team on the ground!

The schedule for rehearsals is below (thank you Eurovisionworld! All times in CEST);





You can check out Matt's pre-rehearsal live stream below in case you missed it;


DAY ONE


The team will be on hand to cover everything going on in Malmö over the coming weeks, so make sure to follow ESC United on Facebook, Twitter (X), Instagram, and YouTube and Twitch to not miss a minute!

Please also use this thread for any rehearsal coverage and discussion, including for jury shows, dress rehearsals and the live shows!​
 

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Grand Final results
Jury vote;


Public vote;
  1. :hr: - 337
  2. :il: - 323
  3. :ua: - 307
  4. :fr: - 227
  5. :ch: - 226
  6. :ie: - 136
  7. :it: - 104
  8. :gr: - 85
  9. :am: - 82
  10. :lt: - 58
  11. :se: - 49
  12. :cy: - 44
  13. :ee: - 33
  14. :rs: - 32
  15. :fi: - 31
  16. :lv: - 28
  17. :lu: - 20
  18. :ge: - 19
  19. :de: - 18
  20. :pt: - 13
  21. :sl: - 12
  22. :es: - 11
  23. :at: - 5
  24. :no: - 4
  25. :uk: - 0
I went through Excel.
  1. This was the lowest ever position a winner ever got in televoting. Lowest before was Grey shirt man with his war song "Heroes" - 2015. (:se: ) He was 3rd in televoting but only 87 points behind.
  2. This has been the lowest amount of televoting a winning country received since the new system in 2020.
  3. But this has been 2nd lowest ever(!) score for a winner in televoting, since the start of split voting! The lowest in 13 years! It almost even beat the record :az: that only got 223. I think that this would been the lowest IF :nl: would have competed.
  4. :il: broke the record for most difference in points by televoting and jury by beating Norway 2019 with a difference of 271 points received tonight.
This year was a mess.
 

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If ROTW votes will continue to serve one or two country I don't really see the point of it. And we saw results last year and this year already which can serve as indicators.

There was a big differential in the televote 12 point scores for the country we don't want to talk about between western Europe and the rest of Europe. All their 14 12 points in the televote came from western Europe - not just RoW.
 

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The ESC 2024 final is over and here are some of my personal reflections:

- Congrats to :ch: Switzerland with victory! Not among my favourites (I like the song which is interesting better than the stage show) but popular overall, one of the pre-contest favourites, and fun for them to win again after so many years (last time in late 1980s).

- Getting so many 12 points (22 if I recall) from juries makes one wonder, however what’s going on.. hopefully nothing untoward, tactical voting or some such. Everyone in my family found it somewhat suspicious though to be honest.. one might have expected say Croatia or France to get at least 1/3 of those 12 points from juries that went to Switzerland..

- Congrats also to :il: Israel with a great 5th place, weathering the heavy 'storm' in every way and impressively getting 2nd most public votes and almost 100 votes more than the winner Switzerland. Very impressive indeed! My personal winner! xup

Hopefully the juries were not deliberately trying to sink Israel to ensure Israel would not win.. hopefully the surprisingly few jury points to Israel (substantially less than any others in the top 10) were coincidence after all. If not, it's a scandal in my view regardless who is the victim.

- Another ESC-year where the winner is not the public favourite. If I recall correctly, 4 songs got more televotes than the winner (Croatia, Israel, Ukraine and France) which will 'put fire' in the debate whether the juries should have less (or no) power in ESC. This also means the people did not want Switzerland as winner, far from it. It was the juries that wanted it.

I have been of the personal opinion that 50% juryvote 50% televote is a good compromise in ESC but more and more I am beginning to wonder if the juries (often consisting of just 5 people) have too much power and end up deciding the winner so perhaps the televote should count more (say 70% televote 30% jury) so the public's voices are heard better.

- Very disappointing evening for Gåte and :no: Norway. I was uncertain how they would do result wise since the song is different than most but coming last in the final was very very underserving in my eyes. The juries trashed us again (for the nt time) and this time the public too. But we are proud of you, Gåte!

- My favourites tonight were: Israel (best song of them all!), Cyprus, Austria, France, Slovenia, then Ukraine, Norway, Spain and Georgia.

- Biggest surprise for me was that the Irish entry which I frankly thought was pretty awful did so well. No one in my family could believe it when it got so many points, we had it in last place. Must have been a protest thing to some extent is my thought. Cyprus did worse than I expected, Finland also while Armenia and Portugal did much better than I thought they would. Disappointed that Austria and Slovenia were so little appreciated.

- Very happy that demonstrators were unable to sabotage a great ESC-evening which many of us enjoyed despite all the controversies. I feared someone would get up on stage and wave a flag (or worse) and cause a drama.

- Great final show with great professional hosts imo. :se: Sweden for sure know how to do this with quality. Some booing (as expected) but nothing major to destroy the joy and fun of the event. Great to see Alcazar again in action, also great tributes to the Swedish legends ABBA!

Well done, Sweden! A great final with lots of enjoyable music entertainment held in very difficult citcumstances but with quality, style and fun. And all this despite naysayers, haters, critics and people who wanted this event to be a fiasco after all that has happened in the past few days. They did not get their way and I for one am happy for that! Music and togetherness conquers all!

Already looking forward to next year’s ESC in Switzerland! xdance2
Bambi Thug was many times better than the dated entries from France and Israel (which was also taking a victim pose).
 

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I like the Swiss song. The performance was great, too.
But it is really extreme that a song which only made the 5th place in televoting could win the ESC.
That is more extreme than last year. Sweden was at least in 2nd place with the televoters.
Personally I also thought it was a bit weird that the jury saw Switzerland so much in front. 147 points more than the 2nd. I mean there were many songs and singers which were from a technical point of view great. I would have found it more natural if the juries spread their points a bit more.
 

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Guys, I'm currently taking this at surface level, but if it's true, wow.

I don’t know about a fine or anything, but this was on the news here (English from 0:08):

 

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If ROTW votes will continue to serve one or two country I don't really see the point of it. And we saw results last year and this year already which can serve as indicators.

I didn't see the point of It from the beginning to be honest. International market is the real Rest of the World vote, and in recent past some Eurovision Entries were really successful even outside Europe.


Even Albania and Azerbajian televoting gave them high points. Use another argument.
 

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Bambi Thug was many times better than the dated entries from France and Israel (which was also taking a victim pose).
Taste in music and performance varies, I gave my views, you gave yours. This is the way (to quote from 'The Mandalorian').
 

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Another year of just under 200 people completely overriding the public favourite (in this case, four of them) and getting to pick our winner... yay. At the very least, Switzerland did receive one singular 12 though so that's a nice improvement from last year.

I don't think I'm even particularly bitter (a smidge though I confess), just tired and exhausted from what's been a really miserable, toxic edition with poor showings from the EBU, virtue signalling delegations and artists that were predictably all bark, no bite, a large chunk of the fandom being their usual selves (not great) and just this horrid atmosphere that took away from the enjoyment of the contest. I'm really glad it's all over. This whole year has been a stain.


I think Nemo is an amazing talent and staging wise the entry looked like a winner. The spinny top thingy was awesome. My brain can make sense of the victory even though The Code is in my overall bottom 3 of the year. The fact though that once again we're in the same position as last year but even worse is not good. The jury at this point seem to have Melodifestivalen levels of control over the winner. Please look into it. Our winners for the past two years have collectively gotten a grand total of a singular public 12. Let that sink in. Does it feel right?
 

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I think Nemo is an amazing talent and staging wise the entry looked like a winner. The spinny top thingy was awesome. My brain can make sense of the victory even though The Code is in my overall bottom 3 of the year. The fact though that once again we're in the same position as last year but even worse is not good. The jury at this point seem to have Melodifestivalen levels of control over the winner. Please look into it. Our winners for the past two years have collectively gotten a grand total of a singular public 12. Let that sink in. Does it feel right?

I get the sentiment, but this final voting has been highly unusual. With one country hogging a vast majority of the 12s, it was hard for others to get them.
 

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I think Nemo is an amazing talent and staging wise the entry looked like a winner. The spinny top thingy was awesome. My brain can make sense of the victory even though The Code is in my overall bottom 3 of the year. The fact though that once again we're in the same position as last year but even worse is not good. The jury at this point seem to have Melodifestivalen levels of control over the winner. Please look into it. Our winners for the past two years have collectively gotten a grand total of a singular public 12. Let that sink in. Does it feel right?
At least the jurors watch all performances and engage with the entries. I wonder how many Israel voters even watched the show. :censored:
 

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All delegations and participants agreed to take part under the current voting system. Everyone knew exactly what they got themselves into. Quite frankly this endless crying is tiring.
Actually in defense of the juries: It is great to see that they really went for diverse and out of the box entries this year. It's a step in the right direction for sure. Do the juries need to be reformed: Yes 100% but they are here to stay and people gotta deal with that.
 

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I get the sentiment, but this final voting has been highly unusual. With one country hogging a vast majority of the 12s, it was hard for others to get them.

True, but even then Croatia got nine 12s versus Switzerland's one 12. And Croatia got twelve 10s versus Switzerland's one 10. Even with Israel getting all those protest 12s, it's very clear that with them removed it would still be the same situation. I think it's ridiculous. And not to rubbish coming 5th in the televote because that's a big achievement, 226 points is a lot and Nemo's entry was well received. It just feels unfair how the jury has for two years in a row stopped the public favourite winning, picking a song that can't even pick up 12s or 10s and is way behind in the public vote. I say this as someone as well who dislikes everything in the top 5. The 50/50 split isn't working.
 
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Ok but should we really accept 'small' offenses that result in fines towards staff members?
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If I use this Risk Assessment Matrix, this kind of behavior would probably end in Likelihood: Unlikely-Possible and Consequences: Insignificant, in the score of 3-4.

No injuries were done, no loss of actual assets or damage to the facility, nor that it actually needs so much of an executive crisis decision.
 

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My enjoyment of the contest has been thoroughly shaken by multiple separate things throughout this spring and the last week, but having my number 1 song win AND going to a (in my life) new country next year is quite exciting, to be fair. But I am seriously ready to drop everything ESC for the next 7 months and enjoy all the 100 and more things life has to offer, phew

and now I seriously need to sleep (I swear the general discussion section in this forum will be burned into my eyes and memory until the day I die)

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