ESC 2019 General Discussion Thread

[Bellw]

John can win juries but not televoting sadly!

We will see but I think he can do well with televoting too.

 

[Citelis]

We will see but I think he can do well with televoting too.

He can do well but i dont think that he would do good enough to be contender for the win!

 

[popavapeur]

Ted Talk (I had nothing to do this Sunday) :

I tried to look back and even if Eurovision is not an exact science, I wanted to sort out a probable winner this year but don't forget this is my analysis.

There's really 3 kind of songs this year :
1) the bold, out here songs, 50% like/dislike but still "objectively" good songs : The first coming in my head are Iceland and Portugal
2) The beige songs, coming up each year, not bad but not memorable at all and they take a high % of the final roster
3) the big production/quality songs : they're really good but the genre is often known and doesn't surprise us much, they're just VERY enjoyable.

Sometimes, songs can more or less share 2 points, "Toy" as an example is a big production quality song, in a genre well known which is basic pop but the song has a lot of "out here" sounds and a bold presentation (You can't forget Netta, she has the X factor, an outfit , an overall bold act)

When we analyse our last winners and our top 2/3. The winning entry is often the one that is the most different followed by a song in a close genre but kind of a softer version. The third one is often an outsider (depending on the televote mostly) or just the "best" of the quality entries (depending on juries mostly). Europe seem to reward bold entries.

2018 : Toy and Fuego are two pop songs sung by female performers, Fuego is the most radio-friendly and safe out of the two while Toy is the most different, out here with "chicken noises". Best of the quality entries ends the top 3 : Austria
2017 : Amar Pelos Dois and Beautiful Mess are two ballads sung by male performers, Beautiful Mess is the most radio-friendly while Amar Pelos Dois is the most different with a very special act. Televote decides its Outsider : Moldova
2016 : 1944 and Sound Of Silence, two ballads sung by a female performers, Sound Of Silence is, once again, the most radio-friendly while 1944 is the most different with a strong message and story behind it. Outsider : Russia. The song itself isn't that bold but still it's dated enough to categorize it weird and has a heavily gimmicky act.

That doesn't work for 2015 unless you take only the televote, which has Russia and Italy in top positions, two ballads. Even if Polina is a solo singer, she's not alone on stage while Il Divo is actually a band, some sort of similarities. We could stretch this analysis and say that Mans isn't really alone, the mapping effect is kind of his "band". The counterpart of Sweden 2015 could be Belgium but the most out here of the two (Belgium) didn't win. So if you had in mind my previous analysis, the top 3 should have been Sweden a "jury outsider" with a heavily gimmicky act.

That still work for 2014 though but 2014 is already too far to analyse as trends seem to evolve very quickly a 5 year span is the maximum we can take in.

This year we have the "chance" to have very bold and out of the box entries, more than usual imho and I think, following the last trend that Europe will reward one of them. When Europe have the possibility to reward what is original and different, it's happening. But we could totally have a year like 2015 when Europe doesn't really decide and where the top 3 is kinda reversed.

A more personal opinion, I do think that the bold entries this year are quality, I really like Slovenia, Portugal and Iceland and I think they're quality entries whether you like it or not we can say that they're bringing something personal (Slovenia), a bold act (Portugal) or a politcal message (Iceland), we could add more countries to that list, they're just the ones that popped in my mind. Everything can happen, don't get me wrong but I'll be surprised if Europe don't pick a winner within those bold entries when we have a full platter of quality ones. At the same time, we can also say that every trend dies one day and 2019 could be the one where this particular trend is gonna die. I'm thinking that 2019 is the epitome of that trend, its highest peak but that will slowly die the next years, while entering the 2020's.

edit : spelling

 

[Swedenvision]

He can do well but i dont think that he would do good enough to be contender for the win!

Why would he not do well in televote? I have seen this comment several times now and no one can give an reasonable argument for it. I asked the same question in the Sweden thread but none can answer and that says it all...

This is an uplifting and happy song which you can sing, dance, clap along with if you want.
John is also an amazing singer and has great stage presence add also the performance which is nice and effective.

John could very well be top 5 in televote and top 3 with jury, if that is enough to win? Who knows.

 

[Preuss]

I just think that John will do consistently well with the viewers and therefore be a serious contender for thee win

 

[Citelis]

Why would he not do well in televote? I have seen this comment several times now and no one can give an reasonable argument for it. I asked the same question in the Sweden thread but none can answer and that says it all...

This is an uplifting and happy song which you can sing, dance, clap along with if you want.
John is also an amazing singer and has great stage presence add also the performance which is nice and effective.

John could very well be top 5 in televote and top 3 with jury, if that is enough to win? Who knows.

I said that he can do well but im not sure if he can so well to be on televoting's top 5!

 

[BorisBubbles]

I wouldn't be surprised if neither Sergay, nor Lundvik made the top 5 to be honest. Lundvik will be destroyed by the televote in the finale and Sergey will be sandbagged beyond recognition by the juries. I'm expecting lower top ten for both of them.

 

[musicfan]

Ted Talk (I had nothing to do this Sunday) :

I tried to look back and even if Eurovision is not an exact science, I wanted to sort out a probable winner this year but don't forget this is my analysis.

There's really 3 kind of songs this year :
1) the bold, out here songs, 50% like/dislike but still "objectively" good songs : The first coming in my head are Iceland and Portugal
2) The beige songs, coming up each year, not bad but not memorable at all and they take a high % of the final roster
3) the big production/quality songs : they're really good but the genre is often known and doesn't surprise us much, they're just VERY enjoyable.

Sometimes, songs can more or less share 2 points, "Toy" as an example is a big production quality song, in a genre well known which is basic pop but the song has a lot of "out here" sounds and a bold presentation (You can't forget Netta, she has the X factor, an outfit , an overall bold act)

When we analyse our last winners and our top 2/3. The winning entry is often the one that is the most different followed by a song in a close genre but kind of a softer version. The third one is often an outsider (depending on the televote mostly) or just the "best" of the quality entries (depending on juries mostly). Europe seem to reward bold entries.

2018 : Toy and Fuego are two pop songs sung by female performers, Fuego is the most radio-friendly and safe out of the two while Toy is the most different, out here with "chicken noises". Best of the quality entries ends the top 3 : Austria
2017 : Amar Pelos Dois and Beautiful Mess are two ballads sung by male performers, Beautiful Mess is the most radio-friendly while Amar Pelos Dois is the most different with a very special act. Televote decides its Outsider : Moldova
2016 : 1944 and Sound Of Silence, two ballads sung by a female performers, Sound Of Silence is, once again, the most radio-friendly while 1944 is the most different with a strong message and story behind it. Outsider : Russia. The song itself isn't that bold but still it's dated enough to categorize it weird and has a heavily gimmicky act.

That doesn't work for 2015 unless you take only the televote, which has Russia and Italy in top positions, two ballads. Even if Polina is a solo singer, she's not alone on stage while Il Divo is actually a band, some sort of similarities. We could stretch this analysis and say that Mans isn't really alone, the mapping effect is kind of his "band". The counterpart of Sweden 2015 could be Belgium but the most out here of the two (Belgium) didn't win. So if you had in mind my previous analysis, the top 3 should have been Sweden a "jury outsider" with a heavily gimmicky act.

That still work for 2014 though but 2014 is already too far to analyse as trends seem to evolve very quickly a 5 year span is the maximum we can take in.

This year we have the "chance" to have very bold and out of the box entries, more than usual imho and I think, following the last trend that Europe will reward one of them. When Europe have the possibility to reward what is original and different, it's happening. But we could totally have a year like 2015 when Europe doesn't really decide and where the top 3 is kinda reversed.

A more personal opinion, I do think that the bold entries this year are quality, I really like Slovenia, Portugal and Iceland and I think they're quality entries whether you like it or not we can say that they're bringing something personal (Slovenia), a bold act (Portugal) or a politcal message (Iceland), we could add more countries to that list, they're just the ones that popped in my mind. Everything can happen, don't get me wrong but I'll be surprised if Europe don't pick a winner within those bold entries when we have a full platter of quality ones. At the same time, we can also say that every trend dies one day and 2019 could be the one where this particular trend is gonna die. I'm thinking that 2019 is the epitome of that trend, its highest peak but that will slowly die the next years, while entering the 2020's.

edit : spelling

Remember not all countries in Eurovision are in Europe, it's not even being held in Europe this year.

Big production songs can often be bland, using the production or expensive stage effects to cover up the weak song.

If juries are more about performance and staging than the actual song then I think that explains why weak/bland songs win.

 

[hawadharma]

I revisited the 2018 ESC videos, Netta really got so much hate

Personally I think this year is quite promising, and I already have like 5 countries which I think worthy to be champion..

 

[Swedenvision]

Lundvik will be destroyed by the televote in the finale

And you base that comment on what?

 

[BorisBubbles]

And you base that comment on what?

Sweden have always done significantly worse in the televote than in the jury vote (with the exceptions of 2014 and 2016), enough to make them drop a few spots. If you drop a spot, you cannot win. There are several entries out there which appear more televote friendly (Iceland, Portugal, Armenia, Cyprus) and could Sweden out of a top five finish.

(Also Cesar finished only 13th, but that's not a comparison i feel comfortable making :racistmoon: :? )

 

[darkap]

Who said it was the worst ESC from quite some time?
It's the opposite. There're a lot of good songs that can catch the trophy.

 

[GermanBango]

This year is tragic...

 

[Swedenvision]

Sweden have always done significantly worse in the televote than in the jury vote (with the exceptions of 2014 and 2016), enough to make them drop a few spots. If you drop a spot, you cannot win. There are several entries out there which appear more televote friendly (Iceland, Portugal, Armenia, Cyprus) and could Sweden out of a top five finish.

(Also Cesar finished only 13th, but that's not a comparison i feel comfortable making :racistmoon: :? )

Well, Sweden has been at least in the top 10 with televote every year since 2011 (except 2013 & 2018), I don't think that is bad and indicates that Lundivk would be "destroyed" in the televote.....:?
But yes it is true we have done better with juries, they look for quality and the televotes rather votes for the "fun acts", so thank god for juries.

With that said I do think we will do very well in televote this year.

 

[Ichbinjari]

O my God, we're complete! We got all the songs! So excited now!

 

[Realest]

Good news

Sveriges Radio has confirmed that Christer Björkman will be the Contest Producer for the Eurovision Song Contest 2019 in Tel Aviv, Israel.

Christer Björkman will be the Contest Producer for the Eurovision Song Contest for a fourth year running. In an interview with Sveriges Radio, Mr Björkman confirmed that he will be returning to the role again for this years contest in Tel Aviv, Israel.

Contest Producer is one of the key roles for the Production of the Eurovision Song Contest. Speaking ahead of the contest in Lisbon last year, Mr Björkman explained that it is important for each contest to incorporate the feel of the host nation.

 

[SwedishFailurez]

^

The prediction no one wanted.

 

[JonnyWest]

I thought it was already known

 

[BorisBubbles]

Good fucking grief @ Christer again. Yes, that is totally a good decision to put the fucking producer of ONE OF THE NATIONAL FINALS in charge of it all again. That never results in biases.

At least Aus will close now, I guess

 

[anto475]

I mean it's obvious why, but how can they defend this and how is no one calling this out? How is no one on the Reference Group or the Steeting Committee livid about this?