ESC 2018 General Discussion Thread

[aef]

I still believe no one should be in charge of choosing the running order, they have ways to make a diverse running order and still keep it random with using genre/tempo pots and draw the entries randomly from there, it shouldn't be so damn hard and the fact they keep onto the "producers' choosing the order" makes me really question their credibility.

I'm totally fine with the concept of the running order like it is now. At least for the theoretic part. BUT I'm also sick of Björkman... You can see it on the post-its when he does the running order how "professional" he is... I'd just do it with different people per year or something like that... For example I can't stand always "randomly" getting one of the best spots anymore!

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I think the automatic qualifiers should be able to select their place in the running order first, then after the SF2 there should be a draw. Whenever each of the qualifiers gets drawn they can select their position from the remaining slots.

 

[tsegaye]

Fun fact: In SVT:s commercial for eurovision the acts that were shown were (except for Sweden of course) Estonia, France, Czech Republic and Israel (the most) Can't believe it starts in less than two days!!!!!

 

[Nefertiti]

Exactly! I can get they want a "diverse show", as complete random running order could potentially lead to for instance all ballads being stuck together, but like you said a computer could be used here to simply set up a genre/tempo pots system and then put the entries in those and have the running order randomized allocated based on that to make a fair yet diverse running order. Why are they so afraid to introduce something that would save their faces? Why keeping a system that is non-transparent and obviously questionable?

Agree. It's always the same thing. Countries like Australia suspiciously obtain good positions in the running order every year and all the "non-favorites" are placed randomly in the worst places. Entries 02-05 are almost always random songs that are not hyped at all and they get no benefit from this running order. They totally should use a computer and therefore people won't find the running order and the system questionable anymore.

 

[hijirio]

I'm totally fine with the concept of the running order like it is now. At least for the theoretic part. BUT I'm also sick of Björkman... You can see it on the post-its when he does the running order how "professional" he is... I'd just do it with different people per year or something like that... For example I can't stand always "randomly" getting one of the best spots anymore!

They got a bad spot both in SF1 and final last year.

SF1 3rd (dead spot)
Final 14th (earliest of the second half)

 

[Nefertiti]

They got a bad spot both in SF1 and final last year.

SF1 3rd (dead spot)
Final 14th (earliest of the second half)

Yeah, and look what happened: 173 points, 171 from the jury and 2 from the televote. Not questionable AT ALL.

 

[hijirio]

Yeah, and look what happened: 173 points, 171 from the jury and 2 from the televote. Not questionable AT ALL.

The question here is not how many points jury awarded them, it's just that some people here claimed EBU is favoring Australia by giving them a good spot but it's been refuted now.
The jury thing is another matter, not related to running order.

 

[Swedenvision]

No, we should not go back to random running order for obvious resons.

It is good that we have a producer that handles this with the goal to create the best possible conditions for every country and the show itself.

Personally I think Eurovision is ready for some more changes, for example it is time to allow some pre-recorded chorus/backing tracks and also increase the amount of persons taking part in the performance on the stage from todays 6 to 8 persons instead.

I think these changes would be good for ESC.

 

[A-lister]

No, we should not go back to random running order for obvious resons.

It is good that we have a producer that handles this with the goal to create the best possible conditions for every country and the show itself.

Personally I think Eurovision is ready for some more changes, for example it is time to allow some pre-recorded chorus/backing tracks and also increase the amount of persons taking part in the performance on the stage from todays 6 to 8 persons instead.

I think these changes would be good for ESC.

The producers can still have a diverse show and make it random as has been presented many times on this forum already

Pre-qualified vocals is a big NO NO NO NO NO NO , however I do agree that more people should be allowed on stage.

 

[hijirio]

Pre-recorded vocals NONO

I agree that the rule could be a bit less strict, tho. It could be allowed when the situation is inevitable.
It was lame to ban Poli Genova's intro
Somehow they allowed JOWST to use them. Imagine that song without pre-recorded vocals.

 

[aef]

I think the automatic qualifiers should be able to select their place in the running order first, then after the SF2 there should be a draw. Whenever each of the qualifiers gets drawn they can select their position from the remaining slots.

Whaat? That would be one of the most unfair ways possible...

 

[Nefertiti]

Pre-recorded vocals NONO

I agree that the rule could be a bit less strict, tho. It could be allowed when the situation is inevitable.
It was lame to ban Poli Genova's intro
Somehow they allowed JOWST to use them. Imagine that song without pre-recorded vocals.

Aren't they allowed to use pre-recorded vocals? JOWST definitely used them and there was an entry (I don't remember the name, nor the country, sorry) that had a girl singing and in a part of the song she sang a really high note while the chorus was being played. It was not a backing vocalist singing, it was her voice, so those were pre-recorded vocals for sure. And I believe this year's Bulgarian entry also has some pre-recorded vocals or something like that.

 

[hijirio]

Aren't they allowed to use pre-recorded vocals? JOWST definitely used them and there was an entry (I don't remember the name, nor the country, sorry) that had a girl singing and in a part of the song she sang a really high note while the chorus was being played. It was not a backing vocalist singing, it was her voice, so those were pre-recorded vocals for sure. And I believe this year's Bulgarian entry also has some pre-recorded vocals or something like that.

Yes, I said that they did allow JOWST. I think they made a revision on the rule in 2017, initiated by JOWST. Before that it was not possible, I think.

 

[Nefertiti]

Yes, I said that they did allow JOWST. I think they made a revision on the rule in 2017, initiated by JOWST. Before that it was not possible, I think.

Anja from last year’s Danish entry definitely used pre recorded vocals in a part of the song. And I believe Jana with Dance Alone from FYR Macedonia also did. So I guess JOWST was not the exception and now they’re allowed to a certain point.

 

[hijirio]

Anja from last year’s Danish entry definitely used pre recorded vocals in a part of the song. And I believe Jana with Dance Alone from FYR Macedonia also did. So I guess JOWST was not the exception and now they’re allowed to a certain point.

Are you sure? Could you show exactly when they were used? I'm interested.

 

[Nefertiti]

I could be wrong, of course, but in Anja’s performance, near the end, she sings a really high note while her voice singing the chorus is being played. And it’s not the backing vocalist for sure, because they start singing a bit later and are totally different voices. It’s her exact voice singing, so it has to be a pre-recorded thing or another kind of effect that maybe is not considered a pre-recorded vocal (but in the end, it is).

Jana’s performance starts with her singing in a really robotic voice which of course can be done with mic effects I think, but there’s a repetition of the words she’s saying with the same effect in the back and I personally don’t find that her mouth movements match to the sound of her voice, so they may be pre recorded vocals. Bu that’s a bit more subjective that the Anja one.

 

[Chorizo]

No, we should not go back to random running order for obvious resons.

It is good that we have a producer that handles this with the goal to create the best possible conditions for every country and the show itself.

Personally I think Eurovision is ready for some more changes, for example it is time to allow some pre-recorded chorus/backing tracks and also increase the amount of persons taking part in the performance on the stage from todays 6 to 8 persons instead.

I think these changes would be good for ESC.

You just propose that because these are the rules of Melodifestivalen.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

You just propose that because these are the rules of Melodifestivalen.

Perhaps he did, but no need for you to be negative like that. Remember Ukraine and Russia 2012? The 6 person only rule is stupid

 

[LalehForWD]

You just propose that because these are the rules of Melodifestivalen.

Of course, we just want the best (our way of doing things) to be spread as far as possible. You should be thankful for our efforts.

 

[Vektor]

Yay, here we go with the bitching about the draw again with zero real evidence that it matters!

And how did Australia get the "best spot" last year? They got the #1 spot of the second half and ended up with only 2 televote points. In 2016 and in 2015 they got "good draws" (end of 1st half), because they were one of the frontrunners.