Croatia CROATIA 2024 - Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim

[ESC United Mod Team]

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[Kentish]

The reason Lasagna isn't getting 150 jury points is exactly because Kaarija got 150 jury points. It's a clear ripoff.

Likely tele winner, yes, but it can't win the actual contest unless they improve from Dora by unprecedented numbers.

I like him and wish him the best, but these are the facts.

 

[Alcatraz]

The reason Lasagna isn't getting 150 jury points is exactly because Kaarija got 150 jury points. It's a clear ripoff.

 

[Destroyer]

The reason Lasagna isn't getting 150 jury points is exactly because Kaarija got 150 jury points. It's a clear ripoff.

Likely tele winner, yes, but it can't win the actual contest unless they improve from Dora by unprecedented numbers.

I like him and wish him the best, but these are the facts.

With all due respect, if we're discussing facts, please ensure you have the full story straight before making such claims again. The only reason Baby Lasagna and Kaarija are mentioned together is because their melodies bear a slight resemblance. However, beyond that similarity, everything else is distinctly different. So, it wouldn't be fair to label it as a ripoff, would it?

When considering Baby Lasagna's performances in the NF semi-finals and finals, it's important to note that what Baby Lasagna wears is part of a national wardrobe, unlike Kaarija's attire. Kaarija wore a bolero, whereas Baby Lasagna's outfit included sleeves, highlighting the clear distinction between the two.

Furthermore, the lyrical content of both songs is vastly different. While Kaarija's song revolves around carefree drinking, Baby Lasagna's focuses on the struggle of growing up and leaving home, depicting themes of homesickness and familial bonds. As someone who left home at 19, this resonates deeply with me.

Let's be clear—I admire Kaarija and his song, which even made it into my top 5 last year. However, I'm tired of the baseless accusations labeling Baby Lasagna as a ripoff of Kaarija. If anything, the real repetition lies with Finland this year, attempting a similar approach twice in a row, albeit with an inferior song.

 

[Ted Talks]

With all due respect, if we're discussing facts, please ensure you have the full story straight before making such claims again. The only reason Baby Lasagna and Kaarija are mentioned together is because their melodies bear a slight resemblance. However, beyond that similarity, everything else is distinctly different. So, it wouldn't be fair to label it as a ripoff, would it?

When considering Baby Lasagna's performances in the NF semi-finals and finals, it's important to note that what Baby Lasagna wears is part of a national wardrobe, unlike Kaarija's attire. Kaarija wore a bolero, whereas Baby Lasagna's outfit included sleeves, highlighting the clear distinction between the two.

Furthermore, the lyrical content of both songs is vastly different. While Kaarija's song revolves around carefree drinking, Baby Lasagna's focuses on the struggle of growing up and leaving home, depicting themes of homesickness and familial bonds. As someone who left home at 19, this resonates deeply with me.

Let's be clear—I admire Kaarija and his song, which even made it into my top 5 last year. However, I'm tired of the baseless accusations labeling Baby Lasagna as a ripoff of Kaarija. If anything, the real repetition lies with Finland this year, attempting a similar approach twice in a row, albeit with an inferior song.

If you're on about facts, your claim in bold is not true. People, including myself, have stated other reasons for the 'rip-off' or familiar feeling of Baby Lasagne's entry.

The way the song is presented, the vibe is gives off is all (to me) clearly inspired by Kaarija and how its trying to ride on the success of Cha Cha Cha - an accusation I've also levelled at Finland this year, Estonia and the Netherlands. WIthout that, I don't think those songs would be here this year. The influence is clear to see. It's more than just a similar melody.

 

[Kruto]

The melody is not very similar at all. Inspiration does not mean rip-off. Similar energy, different song. Basta!

 

[Destroyer]

If you're on about facts, your claim in bold is not true. People, including myself, have stated other reasons for the 'rip-off' or familiar feeling of Baby Lasagne's entry.

The way the song is presented, the vibe is gives off is all (to me) clearly inspired by Kaarija and how its trying to ride on the success of Cha Cha Cha - an accusation I've also levelled at Finland this year, Estonia and the Netherlands. WIthout that, I don't think those songs would be here this year. The influence is clear to see. It's more than just a similar melody.

Inspiration does not mean ripp-off but okay. I agree Kaarija clearly inspired a few artists. But I don't see that as an issue. The song still has it's own authenticity.

 

[mup]

Is it going to be vs ? It seems that Joost Klein has thrown down the gauntlet! (link)

I hope there won't be a (toxic) battle between fandoms (again).

 

[Ted Talks]

The melody is not very similar at all. Inspiration does not mean rip-off. Similar energy, different song. Basta!

At no point have I said it’s a rip off - that’s why I put it in quote marks. I’ve always said copycat for what it’s worth. I just find it extremely similar in the way it’s sang and the general vibe. Of course they’re different songs, but from the same wheelhouse if you know what I mean.

The difference for me is that I liked Cha Cha Cha and don’t particularly like this. I don’t hate it like I do with the Dutch entry, but I’m not a fan.

Inspiration does not mean ripp-off but okay. I agree Kaarija clearly inspired a few artists. But I don't see that as an issue. The song still has its own authenticity.

Of course artists can be inspired by others - that’s what music is all about. I just don’t find this genuine at all. It comes across as a cynical attempt at aping Kaarija and his success.

You don’t think that, fair enough. I do though.

 

[Kentish]

You guys misinterpreted my message, which I don't blame you for. What I tried to say is that I don't think this has a shot in hell at 150 jury points is because Käärijä was unique - nothing like that had penetrated the ESC mainstream. He got FOURTH in jury voting despite amateurish perfo and not being able to sing at all. But now, we have multiple acts that are "following in Käärijä's footsteps" and that's undeniable when it comes to Croatia as well. One of the key metrics the juries grade songs on is authenticity and uniqueness. Käärijä had all that, but this one doesn't. It doesn't mean that it's the performers fault, those are big boots to fill. And this isn't even mentioning how much behind he is in charisma and the quality of the show.

The Dora performance would get maybe 20 jury points. A vastly improved version could get 100 but that's very generous and optimistic. There's no realistic path for this to actually win Eurovision, just like there isn't for Joost, either.

For what it's worth, I believe Croatia will easily win televoting and be the people's song of the year. But the final position in ESC will be closer to the guy in my avatar than victory.

 

[Alcatraz]

You guys misinterpreted my message, which I don't blame you for. What I tried to say is that I don't think this has a shot in hell at 150 jury points is because Käärijä was unique - nothing like that had penetrated the ESC mainstream. He got FOURTH in jury voting despite amateurish perfo and not being able to sing at all. But now, we have multiple acts that are "following in Käärijä's footsteps" and that's undeniable when it comes to Croatia as well. One of the key metrics the juries grade songs on is authenticity and uniqueness. Käärijä had all that, but this one doesn't. It doesn't mean that it's the performers fault, those are big boots to fill. And this isn't even mentioning how much behind he is in charisma and the quality of the show.

The Dora performance would get maybe 20 jury points. A vastly improved version could get 100 but that's very generous and optimistic. There's no realistic path for this to actually win Eurovision, just like there isn't for Joost, either.

For what it's worth, I believe Croatia will easily win televoting and be the people's song of the year. But the final position in ESC will be closer to the guy in my avatar than victory.

I still think Lasagna will get 150+ jury points. Bookmark this comment and feel free to laugh at me in May, if it turns out that I was wrong.

 

[Alcatraz]

Wow! A month ago, Ukraine was at 20%, and Croatia at 3%!

 

[ESC94]

Had to upgrade from to , still not my favourite but I kinda enjoy it now, especially when my day at work was bad.

Btw, the most important German fanblog ESC kompakt started their annual songchecks with :

ESC-Songcheck kompakt 2024 (1) – Kroatien: „Rim Tim Tagi Dim“ von Baby Lasagna - ESC kompakt

Wie in jedem Jahr gibt es auch 2024 wieder unsere traditionellen ESC-Songchecks kompakt. Ab heute nehmen wir täglich einen andeen Beitrag für den Eurovision Song Contest 2024 genauer unter die Lupe…

esc-kompakt.de

I translated what the bloggers said about the song.

Benny - It´s unbelieveable that Baby Lasagna was only moved to the preselection retrospectively. A diverse and energetic song, additionally with socially relevant lyrics. With the staging Baby Lasagna still has to work a bit, but I´m in good spirits when it comes to that.

Berenike - "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" is a neat mix that directly ignites enthusiasm. The song is energetic, diverse in instrumentation, has lots of engery due to the Rock elements, a cathy chorus and an onomatopoeic hook that you can sing along immediately.

Douze Points - Somehow the melody/sound is really familiar and almost predictable for me. I like the song very much as a stage song, not so much when it comes to listening, that´s to aggressive and spit out. I can´t imagine it that much as an ESC winner.

Flo - It´s not surprising that Croatia is currently leading in the odds. "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" has not only a visually convincing package but Marko Purišić also has a big aura and lots of charisma. Additionally this lovely dancing choreo in the bridge, exactly this moments belong to the ESC.

Manu - As an audio I like listening to "Rim Tim Tagi Dim", but I still find it very much overrated now. Of course the rhythm is pushing the song forward, the short electronic break brings some variety, but all in all it´s too plain for me. . Baby Lasaga doesn´t have all that much charisma on stage for me, the performance in the NF was too conceptless and the live vocals were pretty weak. Thanks to the present message still after all.

Max - The song does with me what it actually shouldn´t do, placing somewhere in the middle. Yes, it´s edgy and yes it will stand out, but in a year where many countries put on hip and edgy songs, Croatia is somehow falling out for me. Will it win as the odds predict at the moment?? I´m excited to see where the journey goes.

Peter - Rim Tim Tagi Tim. This is art. THAT is the reason why I love the ESC. And Croatia is one of the most creative countries in the ESC community anyway. A big party song with a lot of individuality, a message AND a tempting drive. Croatia is living a celebration. I like, I like, I like. And Marko looks great (only in passing, logically it doesn't matter). The techno bridge is fantastic. Outstanding.

Rick: I wasn´t sure at the beginning whether the Croatian entry is musically "innovative" enough for me. A growl song for the stadium isn´t really groundbreaking. BUT the whole package carried me away very quickly, especially the mixture of shrill show and serious issue, the emigration quota of Croatia. The entry is standing out, is authentic and memorable. Did Käärijä serve as an inspiration?? For sure. Does it bother the casual viewer?? I don´t think so.

 

[Citelis]

Normally Croatia would be the obvious winner this year. However the national final performance wasn't convincing at all and that made it to feel a bit doubtful. If he improves by a lot during the rehearsals then he is more likely the winner.

 

[Charly]

After 16,700 votes on the restart of the Eurovisionworld poll, it is clear Baby Lasagna are a frontrunner contender​

 

[cegs5]

This song is addictive, my favourite Croatian entry ever, topping Daria's Celebrate

 

[Yoozek]

I think Lithuania, Finland and The Netherlands are gonna be main reasons for this not to win. Too many countries are going Kaarja style bop this year.

 

[rasmuslights]

I think Lithuania, Finland and The Netherlands are gonna be main reasons for this not to win. Too many countries are going Kaarja style bop this year.

You meant Estonia probably not Lithuania?

Otherwise agree. He's going to be max 6th with the juries and he'd need a landslide in televote for this to win (Käärijä style) and he won't succeed in that because Netherlands will probably win it.

 

[Alcatraz]

You meant Estonia probably not Lithuania?

Otherwise agree. He's going to be max 6th with the juries and he'd need a landslide in televote for this to win (Käärijä style) and he won't succeed in that because Netherlands will probably win it.

No way NL wins the televote.

 

[rasmuslights]

No way NL wins the televote.

Well, he has the German, Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and also probably the baltic televote on lock.

Croatia has Serbia and Slovenia.

 

[Uto]

Wish the hype came with an actual song, but there is none to be found.