Croatia CROATIA 2023 - Let 3 - Mama ŠČ!

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[HayashiM]

Entertainment value - 100%
Message - 100%
Do I want Eurovision to take this direction, musically speaking? - Well...

 

[harey]

I love the word serendipity but sadly I am yet to use it in actual speech!

Mine is flabbergasted, I don't know if it is commonly used but anyway I'm flabbergasted by the negative comments on this thread.

 

[Yazy]

Everyone is so caught up with Let 3 on this thread that nobody even noticed that Damir flopped harder than a fish on dry land.

He wasn´t even in TOP 3.

I was rooting against him, but good god that stings like hell

 

[mauve]

I welcome the message with open arms, but the music definitely not (it is too chaotic for me). But I still see the pleasure in having this at ESC. I am (unfortunately) sticking with my one point.

 

[MooseShoes]

He also said more specifically...

Vladimir Putin a 'Crocodile' Who Cannot Be Trusted—Boris Johnson

The British PM said it's "vital" that Western countries continue to help Ukraine deal with the "crocodile" Putin.

www.newsweek.com

IDK what his internal policies had been like, but he was one of a kind when it came to this war.

Really don't want to turn this into a politics thread (though I might be a bit late for that, to be honest) but I can't let praise of that awful man slide.

My utter contempt for him will not stand in the way of my recognising that he has been right with regards to the tragic situation in Ukraine. However, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that most UK politicians would have done the same in his position, especially considering the accuracy of UK and US intelligence reports before Putin launched his despicable invasion.

Do not be fooled by this narcissist's grandstanding, as he has never done a single thing in his life for anyone but himself. For instance, his first few visits to Kiev always coincincided with times when he was under immense pressure back in the UK. Now they are just a way of keeping himself in the headlines.

Sorry for the rant. If it helps, I'm giving this points in the poll!

 

[Sammy]

I haven’t set my vote in the poll yet.
I‘m torn between this is genius or bullshit.

I do think the message is so important and why not use a platform like Eurovision!
On the other hand - if everyone did that we soon have a lot of songs with a hidden political message.

Musically, it’s the same.
It’s intentionally ridiculous - do we really want that in Eurovision? Not really.
On the other hand it’s almost a piece of art, reminds me a bit of Queen‘s Bohemian Rhapsody, which also has these crazy changes in style included.
But then again, Mama SC is less catchy and the melody isn’t as appealing as Bohemian Rhapsody.

I don’t know. Let me think about it for another day…

Honestly: mentioning Bohemian Rhapsody in this context is blasphemy!

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

I don't quite get why do you think that the song is musically bad?

Verses (mama bought a tractor, mama loved a moron) are simple, repetitive and he sings them off key because he imitates a children's song, a conversation between mother and a kid.

In live performance you even hear prerecorded harmony eqaulizer with under-tone that creates this mocking effect.

Then in the break, he sings the same way the verse "Mama I'm going to play", and then he sings full opera grown male voice "Mama I'm going to war" to denote a transition between a child and an adult.

The rest of the song is basically a musical mixing female opera voices with a rock song.

Just because an average listener or Sinan or Honest Vocal Coach [who thinks Paloma sings off-pitch ] doesn't get the musical as a form of expression, that doesn't mean that professional juries wouldn't get it.

Actually, I think MAMA ŠČ! could get great jury votes.

Furthermore, that opera mix hides many secrets.

As we have gotten official lyrics, it seems that some of MAMA ŠČ's lyrics went unnoticed

This is an English translation of official lyrics, but I made corrections because because it doesn't reflect the context in which they opted to use Croatian synonims that are more rooted in proto-Slavic

Let 3 - Mama ŠČ! (Mama SHCH!) (English Translation) Lyrics​

[Verse 1]
Mama bought a tractor, shch
Mama bought a tractor, shch
Mama bought a tractor
Trayna-neena, Armagedon, nona shch
Mama bought a tractor, shch
Mama bought a tractor, shch
Mama bought a tractor
Trayna-neena, Armagedon, nona shch
Tractor

HERE IN ORIGINAL TRANSLATION THEY DON'T TRANSLATE WORD NONA. NONA IS A LOCALISM FROM GRANNY.

THE RIGHT TRANSLATION THEREFORE IS "ARMAGEDDON GRANNY".

ARMAGEDDON GRANNY DENOTES RUSSIA AS OLD AGING SOCIETY THAT IS BASICALLY UNABLE TO CHANGE AND ADAPT TO OTHERS SO IT HAS ONLY NUCLEAR ARMAMENT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF

ALSO, "TRAJ-NA-NI-NA" IS A BALKAN MEANINGLESS CHILDREN'S CARELESS HUMMING.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSLATE OUTSIDE SLAVIC CONTEXT. WE USED TO SING IT AS CHILDREN WHILE PLAYING, WALKING, FEELING BORED, DANCING


[Verse 2]
REPETITION

[Verse 3]
Mama'd been kissing a moron, schch
Mama'd been kissing a moron, schch
Mama'd been kissing a moron
TRAI-NA-NI-NA,
ARMAGEDDON GRANNY

WE DON'T SAY "KISSING", THAT IS LITERAL TRANSLATION, IT SHOULD BE TRANSLATED AS "LOVING", SIMPLY BECAUSE RUSSIAN VERB TO LOVE IN CROATIAN IS TRANSLATED AS TO KISS, BUT IN OLD CROATIAN IT MEANT BOTH TO LOVE AND TO KISS.

SO WE TRANSLATE THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF RUSSIAN, MAMA LOVED HIM, NOT KISSED HIM.

[Pre-Chorus]
A, b, c, č, ć, d, dž, đ (A, b, c, č, ć, d, dž, đ)
E, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, lj, m, n, nj (A, b, c, č, ć, d, dž, đ, be careful, be careful)

INSTEAD OF "BE CAREFUL", OPREZ MEANS "WARNING", OR IN GERMAN "ACHTUNG", DENOTES UPCOMING DANGER.

O, p, r, s, š, t, u, v, z, ž (V, d, z, v, d, z)

SO HERE THEY SPELL CROATIAN ALPHABET, AND WHEN THEY COME TO AN END, THEY TURN BACK TO RECITE ONLY LETTERS V-D-Z WHICH CREATE THE SOUND OF PRONOUNCING

"VLADIMIR - Z"

LET 3 ARE EFFIN LEGENDS!

Mama, mama, mama, I'm gonna go play
Mama, I'm going to war

[Chorus]
That little psychopath (W-w-war, war)
Little, vicious psychopath (W-w-war, war)
Crocodile psychopath (W-w-war, war)
Mama, I'm going to war

[Post-Chorus]
Tractor

[Chorus 3]
Mama'd been LOVING a moron, schch
Mama'd been LOVING a moron, schch
Mama'd been LOVING a moron
TRAI-NA-NI-NA,
ARMAGEDDON GRANNY


[Refrain]
That little psychopath (War, war)
Little, vicious psychopath (War, war)
Crocodile psychopath (Mama, we’re going to war)
Mama, I’m going to war

Shch!

INSTEAD OF "LITTLE", AS IT'S ABOUT PUTIN, THEY MEANT TO SAY "SHORT" PSYCHOPATH. HE IS FAMOUS FOR HIS NAPOLEON COMPLEX.

SO CORRECT TRANSLATION IN GIVEN CONTEXT IS "SHORT", SINCE IN CROATIAN THERE'S LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SMALL" AND "SHORT" AND "LITTLE".

ALSO, INSTEAD OF "WE'RE GOING TO WAR" THE FEMALE VOICES SING "LET'S GO TO WAR" OR, MOTHER RUSSIA SUMMONS HIM TO WAR.

THERE, I'M SORRY PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T GET IT, BUT THIS IS OFFICIALLY THE BEST SONG OF EUROVISION.

 

[Brutalero]

After seeing more clips of Let 3, I'm both excited and terrified of what they'll prepare for the actual semi-final.

As you should be!

 

[midnightsun]

Honestly: mentioning Bohemian Rhapsody in this context is blasphemy!

I apologize!
This is, of course, correct, but if you see both songs as ART, they way they built up the song, and what crazy style change is concerned, they are on par!

 

[Biste]

3 points for trolling Putin. Musically, I am annoyed by it XD

 

[Slabsson79]

I apologize!
This is, of course, correct, but if you see both songs as ART, they way they built up the song, and what crazy style change is concerned, they are on par!

I wonder what Mr. Taylor and Dr. May think about this.
tbh, I like the Croatian entry, but comparing it to Queen´s masterpiece indeed seems a little blasphemic to me.
Still, I hope this will not be another Croatian entry that bites the dust in the semis.

 

[Biste]

Bless her soul

 

[lasse braun]

I welcome the message with open arms, but the music definitely not (it is too chaotic for me). But I still see the pleasure in having this at ESC. I am (unfortunately) sticking with my one point.

step over your shadow,have some fun and make your mops happy,too.
i'm sure he like it,sitting with you on the and watching the world.

BTW:
still needed for a draw.

is there a gap 5 law?

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Bless her soul

She said that they are "glorifying war".

It was disgusting what she said. She's either not smart or was simply mean.

There are zero comments under the video, I think she erased them. Or was hacked by Ukrie and Cro hackers.

 

[MopManMoss]

"this song's about grandma being a psychopath. i think" Honest vocal coach acting like a cretin as usual however what people need to remember is that we in the eurofandom are in the 0.01% of eurovision viewers and eurovision for the overwhelming majority is about immediacy, viewers arent going to look into the lyrics or analyse what theyve just seen or listen to the song again outside of viewing the song in a semi/grand final.

Obviously former yugoslav countries can easily work out what is being said but the locals of other countries are going to struggle that doesnt make them dumb or malicious it just means they are trying to make sense of what they can see.

I dont mind the performance but outside of neighbouring countries to Croatia the content of the song is going to be hard to understand and its success will instead be as a result of the absurdity of the performance.

 

[kruskica]

This is the first time I see hype for our entry in Croatia.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

@Bmbriga @Brutalero @Yazy @LakZaNokte

Do you believe the times we live in, when Croatian ESC entry get's Spanish lyrics videos on YouTube?

It's also 7th most streamed ESC entry on Spotify on 2nd day of release...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625220765066072064

And is 18th with the bookies.

Dear Croatia, your warmongering song has officially ruined the reputation of this distinguished musical event.

 

[Chrisiam]

Well, just saw it for the first time. And I honestly love it. I think it is too early to give it a score but it was a hell of a ride.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

"this song's about grandma being a psychopath. i think" Honest vocal coach acting like a cretin as usual however what people need to remember is that we in the eurofandom are in the 0.01% of eurovision viewers and eurovision for the overwhelming majority is about immediacy, viewers arent going to look into the lyrics or analyse what theyve just seen or listen to the song again outside of viewing the song in a semi/grand final.

Obviously former yugoslav countries can easily work out what is being said but the locals of other countries are going to struggle that doesnt make them dumb or malicious it just means they are trying to make sense of what they can see.

I dont mind the performance but outside of neighbouring countries to Croatia the content of the song is going to be hard to understand and its success will instead be as a result of the absurdity of the performance.

Yeah, you're right, especially when it comes to younger audience. I hope they'll add subtitles as Konstrakta did. But Honest Vocal Coach read the english lyrics and then made that comment. I don't know what she saw glorifying the war in the verses "that short psychopath" sent me to war, mama.

But look at this Italian rocker, he understood it momentarily.

Regardless, I don't claim that this is some masterpiece (though it is ) that all should be delighted by, but IMO some reactions twrds this entry are trully vicious.

I'm quite positive that if this were a Dutch entry or Finnish or RUSSIAN (remember those absurd babushkas), nobody would dare to say it is "utter shite", like one popular channel did.

They would say: "For now, this is not my cup of tea, I find it a bit chaotic, but it does send an important message to all of us in this hard times. It also mocks those lawmakers and statesmen that are homophobic, dressing them up as drag queens, and this is a type of humour we all need. So, it could be a huge grower for me".



Yeah, but as it's a Croatian entry, it is "an utter shite".

Yeah. True story.

 

[randajad]

Caught myself singing 1) mali podli psihopat as well as 2)mama ljubila morona It’s hella catchy, I do still think it’s garbage tho.