Creating new contests on the forum

[nofuxCZ]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

It's clear we are divided in this. I personally wouldn't mind if two new contests were created (in case there is enough interest in both of them, ofc). I like both ideas - the language song contest and the contest similar to FSC/NSC - yeah, it's kind of a hybrid between these two, but imo, it takes the best out of both and combines it - the only thing that's missing is that unique element that FSC and NSC don't have - that could be changing the juries. I don't know how the NSC works but I think you can't change the juries there and you stay in your nation that you created.

 

[SpZ]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

I appreciate your imagination but I doubt anyone would understand what you wrote when they think "contest without limits". It's more like "you can send songs in any year" or "participate as any country juror" etc.

This contest is a new idea (it was mentioned only last night). We'll figure out together how it il be the rules. No one's chasing or forcing us for to be quick. And I don't think it needs to be super different and unique from other forum contests although some people want so.

The point he was most likely trying to make is that hele, trece and people here abuse the "no limits" slogan here heavily to justify having rules like they want (without giving much more backing arguments to their ideas) without admitting that they are actually interpreting the term falsely and are going for various restrictions which they somehow ignore being restrictions.

 

[Hele.]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

And on country rule we would also have a big imbalance where in USA, UK, Sweden and Spain you will have loads of people. So really if you would support having no restrictions, you would vote for not having countries, but people taking part as themselves.

However, in this case, people have an alternative. If I love Spanish, I can choose one of the many Spanish-speaking countries. In your case I'll have to either be widely regarded as one of the many Spanish jury, or choose ... language of Congo and Malaysia However, we have already agreed on a large monthly language spinoff

Well, you already mention few of them (and I do not think they will be that much overbooked) while there are just English and Spanish that are official language in 75 countries together (English in 54 and Spanish in 21)! So, anyone who from these countries (no matter it is a bigger or smaller country) if want to compete for its country has to join to that big jury. Of course there will not be so much countries but still there is much more alternative. Trece very well explained that. Also, one more aspect is needed to look there. So, it would be unfair to smaller languages who do have much famous artists as nearly as USA, UK, Spain, etc. In those countries is much bigger music scene and there are more famous singers. Yes, we look at quality of song. But on this way, those languages have much, much bigger opportunity to find some great song and others will not have so much chance then. But when those same language countries are competition between them, it is getting to be more interesting.

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Let's make a rule, that a country can have up to 3 members - this will end the worries about overcrowded juries of specific countries. After 3 months have passed, the juries will be replaced by other ones.

No,this is a bad rule.

Again we will have some waiting lists,for example for Croatia.We already have three members,and what if someone wants to be part of Croatian jury also?He can't.And what if we never replace the jury? You can't say someone to replace the jury if he doesn't want.

You can't say someone to chance the jury if he/she doesn't want to.

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

So let's make a rule that you must leave it, BUT only if other people want to join - if there are no volunteers for the Croatian jury, then you can stay.

no!That's very bad rule. If you remember,the main rule of this game that everyone can participate for what country they want.

 

[Hele.]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

why? All Croatians - so patriots?

I really doubt every Croatian FSC member will want to join in this contest.

 

[AdelAdel]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

No,this is a bad rule.

Again we will have some waiting lists,for example for Croatia.We already have three members,and what if someone wants to be part of Croatian jury also?He can't.And what if we never replace the jury? You can't say someone to replace the jury if he doesn't want.

You can't say someone to chance the jury if he/she doesn't want to.

What waiting lists? The person, who is currently not in the Croatian jury would be in another country's jury.

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

I really doubt every Croatian FSC member will want to join in this contest.

And I'm sure that they won't participate all for Croatia if they join this game.

 

[LakZaNokte]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

It's clear we are divided in this. I personally wouldn't mind if two new contests were created (in case there is enough interest in both of them, ofc). I like both ideas - the language song contest and the contest similar to FSC/NSC - yeah, it's kind of a hybrid between these two, but imo, it takes the best out of both and combines it - the only thing that's missing is that unique element that FSC and NSC don't have - that could be changing the juries. I don't know how the NSC works but I think you can't change the juries there and you stay in your nation that you created.

like I said, I suggest each player for himself but also for a country (victories count for that country). u can change the country every month (like u can in nsc) but your choice goes for countries, not you (like in fsc)

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

What waiting lists? The person, who is currently not in the Croatian jury would be in another country's jury.

Yeah,but you can't throw out someone from Croatian jury if he/she doesn't want.

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

like I said, I suggest each player for himself but also for a country (victories count for that country). u can change the country every month (like u can in nsc) but your choice goes for countries, not you (like in fsc)

Rule that you must stay 3 months in one jury is better.We would have a mess then and nobody will know who is which country.

 

[AdelAdel]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

like I said, I suggest each player for himself but also for a country (victories count for that country). u can change the country every month (like u can in nsc) but your choice goes for countries, not you (like in fsc)

You don't change countries in NSC

 

[AdelAdel]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Yeah,but you can't throw out someone from Croatian jury if he/she doesn't want.

And why not? In my opinion, there need to be some stricter rules for this game.

 

[SpZ]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Well, you already mention few of them (and I do not think they will be that much overbooked) while there are just English and Spanish that are official language in 75 countries together (English in 54 and Spanish in 21)! So, anyone who from these countries (no matter it is a bigger or smaller country) if want to compete for its country has to join to that big jury. Of course there will not be so much countries but still there is much more alternative. Trece very well explained that. Also, one more aspect is needed to look there. So, it would be unfair to smaller languages who do have much famous artists as nearly as USA, UK, Spain, etc. In those countries is much bigger music scene and there are more famous singers. Yes, we look at quality of song. But on this way, those languages have much, much bigger opportunity to find some great song and others will not have so much chance then. But when those same language countries are competition between them, it is getting to be more interesting.

Where did you get to have to join your own country idea from my posts? Even if that is the case you could find plenty of singers from your country singing in other languages.... You could perfectly well for example end up with 10 artists who are usa citizens

 

[LakZaNokte]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

Rule that you must stay 3 months in one jury is better.We would have a mess then and nobody will know who is which country.

it would be written.
LakZaNokte (Sudan)
daniels1000 (Nepal)
Hele. (Mexico)
etc

each player would have it's own thread (like in nsc) and the title must be changed each month. or every 3 months, if some1 wants to change (even tho I don't see the point of 3 month period then)

 

[LakZaNokte]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

You don't change countries in NSC

yeah but as far as I can see, u can send an entry from any country (maybe I'm mistaken)

 

[Hele.]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

The point he was most likely trying to make is that hele, trece and people here abuse the "no limits" slogan here heavily to justify having rules like they want (without giving much more backing arguments to their ideas) without admitting that they are actually interpreting the term falsely and are going for various restrictions which they somehow ignore being restrictions.

I think we give very good arguments that you even do not want to consider and are just forcing that language rule. :? And that is BIG imbalance 1) By jury members for biggest languages ; 2) Much more options to this ones that for smaller languages. :?
There are also some other problems that we mentioned like that someone from (ex.) Chile has to wait who knows how much until his artist finally wins for Spanish language and on that way he must wait his/her opportunity.
And why Trece all did started is that every member from every country have equal right to join. Without any limits for waiting in ROW (or something like that), in choosing country, etc.

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

And why not? In my opinion, there need to be some stricter rules for this game.

Main rule of this game : Every member can participate for which country he/she wants.

So you can not throw out someone.And what if I have to choose country which music I don't know because there aren't other free countries.

Imagine that you need to go to Nigerian jury,and you don't know nothing about it.

 

[daniels1000]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

That language rule is silly,really.

I don't see the reason why to force finding some stupid rules which just make game worse.I really don't understand.Enough difference from FSC and NSC is that you can participate for which country you want.

 

[SpZ]

Re: Creating new contest on the forum

I think we give very good arguments that you even do not want to consider and are just forcing that language rule. :? And that is BIG imbalance 1) By jury members for biggest languages ; 2) Much more options to this ones that for smaller languages. :?
There are also some other problems that we mentioned like that someone from (ex.) Chile has to wait who knows how much until his artist finally wins for Spanish language and on that way he must wait his/her opportunity.
And why Trece all did started is that every member from every country have equal right to join. Without any limits for waiting in ROW (or something like that), in choosing country, etc.

Do you understand that a) your argument could be made the same way for fsc or the new contest using countries b) since when is the goal of the contest to win - how is it an imbalance? The idea is to discover new good music and if world hits which everyone have heard of are not being entered, then it is good. Saying that there is some imbalance are implying that you want to enter the contest mainly to win.

2ndly you are somehow assuming that people should want to join their countries. No, that is what fsc is for and it has it's benefits, but people who like that system already go to fsc. So what would another country based contest bring to the table if everyone would join their own country/language? you are making some major false assumptions here.
And noone has ever said that people are supposed to wait, you are simply pulling that argument from your ass.