Cheating in Eurovision voting

[Farahim]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

I'm not a frequent guest at this forum, but today I wanna discuss that question with other Eurovision viewers.
You know, everybody who has eyes had to note that strange 12 points from Malta every year:
2010 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
2011 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
2012 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
2013 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
Yes, Az. has very successful results every year with a lot of points. But 12 points every year from that small country...really? Other countries who was successful two years in a row (like Sweden 2011-2012 and Russia 2012-2013) got their 12 points from different countries in different years, even despite the fact that both countries have MUCH more influence (cultural and political) than Az.
Also, I guess you know that Az. and Malta has nothing common at all, this is like Turkey and Greenland.
So, what's the deal?
Yesterday I got the link, where the Lithuanian news website reported that some men on the streets offered to vote yesterday for other country (Russia?) at Eurovision from their numerous SIM cards. <a href="http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/eurovizija/uzsienieciai/zurnalistinis-eksperimentas-balsu-pirkejai-konkurse-eurovizija-2013-ant-stalo-zeria-pluostus-euru-ir-sako-kad-tai-vienintelis-kelias-laimeti-125-336718">source in Lithuanian</a> <a href="http://www.15min.lt/ru/article/vesti/pobeditel-evrovidenija-2013-kuplen-zhurnalisty-15min-lt-razoblachili-v-litve-bandu-kotoraja-skupala-golosa-504-336735">sourse in Russian</a> . You can translate it with Google.
Some students who got that proposal, desided to capture the process on camera. They came to the designated place and heard that they should vote not for Russia, but for...Az. You can watch the video, following the links above.
And yesterday we saw that Lithuania gave its 12 points to....yes, to Azerbaijan. Remind to you, this video appeared BEFORE Saturday final.
The most interesting phrase is this article is: "A man without any hesitation said that they work for Azerbaijan the same way in 15 countries."
Even Russian-Belarussian or Norwegian-Swedish brotherly unions don't work every year. But Malta gives 12 points to Az. FOUR yeas in a row, and Lithuania - three. And now watch that video again...don't you see the connection?

You know, Az. really wants to improve its international reputation. If you watch Euronews you had to see these eternal pro-Az. videos there during commercial breaks. Last year Az. spent more than $750 000 000 for Eurovision hosting (Sweden this year - less than $25 mln). They buy songs and stage ideas from Swedes for big money EVERY year, because their own music is an empty place. I guess some of you remember that 46 Azeris who voted for Armenia in 2009 were arrested (!!!). At last, these strange votes of some countries...

Maybe it is time to stop them?

That is your OPINION NOT PROOF.

 

[wittgenstein]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

2nd place is a well-deserved spot for Farid. He sang it beautifully and the show was spectacular. No cheating there

Except Farid cheating on that women with that man in the glass-box.

 

[Terence]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Uh oh, Azerbaijan's gonna get it.

I doubt it... as long as the EBU sees money, money and more money. What's next? Place them with the 'Big' countries?

 

[RainyWoods]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Even though I don't like that at all - the "selling our entry campaign" - every country has as much right doing this I guess. Azerbaijan choose to really go for it. The only way to deal with this is to keep all the entries secret until its time for the competition.

Well another way would be to just ban advertisement for ESC entries. I can't see San Marino anytime soon having the money to advertise their entries all over the web. It's a bit unfair. A youtube video of the entry should be enough.

 

[Trece]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

It is very possible to happen things like that, but I'm sure Azerbaijan is not the only one. Plus Azerbaijan really deserve their places, excepting the victory with that song. This year I liked Norway, Azerbaijan, Denmark and Iceland. Any of these could have been the winner for me. So, Azerbaijan really deserve 2nd place. The power of televoting is zero today. The jury can eliminate the winner of the televote from their country. For example, Spain was able to gives to Romania zero points and Italy only one point even if Romania won for sure their televote. So, Azerbaijan loose thier money for nothing. If they will not have a good song they can loose... this if there are not some understanding and a little mafia created between some delegation. For example, I give you 12 this year because you are good, but next year I will be good too and I need your 12.

xgood

yes, even if Azerbaijan bought Lithuanian televoters, it still not enough to get 12 points in common (moreover with new system)

 

[PashonFrut]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Except Farid cheating on that women with that man in the glass-box.

Well, what to say. Farid swings both ways

 

[wittgenstein]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Well another way would be to just ban advertisement for ESC entries. I can't see San Marino anytime soon having the money to advertise their entries all over the web. It's a bit unfair. A youtube video of the entry should be enough.

Personally I wouldn't be against it. But I guess the hole commercial/financial/capitalist cirkus around eurovision would go on a strike. Because this is also what eurovision, unfortunately, is about: making money.

 

[Farahim]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

I was just saying it's strange how a south african woman wishing Farid good luck can get 72,000 views when the rest of the ESCUNITED good luck video are less than 1000, most even struggling to get past a couple of hundred views.

Major record labels were exposed recently by youtube for using bots to get views.

Well Yes we spending money, but making it bigger problem and always talk about that not right. I feel there is only on country exists on this contest. Thanks god we didn't win!

 

[Farahim]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

IF you GUYS feel the system is CRAP then, that is EBU problem not us.

 

[Terence]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

). Maybe there's just a lot of people in Malta who keeps voting for Azerbaijan each year (diaspora voting? Who knows). And maybe this year, for once, they sent a pretty good entry ("Meh" song, brilliant staging).

Trust me, I met quite a few people who liked 'Drip Drop', 'Running Scared' and this year's entry - so all 12 points were expected + most Azeri artists come here to promote, so unless people have proof, stop dragging my country in all this Azerbaijan BS drama. If anything, the EBU is partly to blame for not releasing the split results by country. Some hidden agenda? I don't know!

 

[dogmeat]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

*enters the topic*
*reads the first post*
*loses faith in human intellect*
*leaves saying nothing*

 

[Kicker]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

I doubt it... as long as the EBU sees money, money and more money. What's next? Place them with the 'Big' countries?

Please. They could change with Germany so that Germany finally gets the chance to promote their entries some days before the final and doesn't have to pay rather everything. :S

 

[GermanBango]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Well obviously there are diffrent opinnions on that topic ... but anyway we can't change anything, this is something the EBU has to do!

 

[RainyWoods]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Well Yes we spending money, but making it bigger problem and always talk about that not right. I feel there is only on country exists on this contest. Thanks god we didn't win!

Well spending money on youtube viewer boosting bots isn't right (i'm not saying thats what has happened).

It's just all this splashing cash about doesn't seem very fair especially when all this cash splashing has lead to such high results and through showing no culture either. Sabina last year was a welcome breath of fresh air and (even though yet again, the song was bought from Sweden) I could feel a bit of Azerbaijani heart in the entry.

 

[Terence]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Please. They could change with Germany so that Germany finally gets the chance to promote their entries some days before the final and doesn't have to pay rather everything. :S

But do you believe the EBU would ban Azerbaijan? I'm not blaming any of the Big countries so stop taking it personal.

 

[Kicker]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

But do you believe the EBU would ban Azerbaijan? I'm not blaming any of the Big countries so stop taking it personal.

Oh, this was an answer for your last sentence. I'd really prefer Azerbaijan to become a Big5 country and Germany to go through the Semifinals (though this will never happen).

 

[Trece]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Trust me, I met quite a few people who liked 'Drip Drop', 'Running Scared' and this year's entry - so all 12 points were expected + most Azeri artists come here to promote, so unless people have proof, stop dragging my country in all this Azerbaijan BS drama. If anything, the EBU is partly to blame for not releasing the split results by country. Some hidden agenda? I don't know!

thank you Terence, i knew that this example about Malta is nothing

 

[lucian-crusher]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

That is not proof! It's the same with geting high points and giving high points to . and are countries that don't have many friends so they give high points to and gives them points in return. So if I vote for because I love the country it's not cheating

 

[Steffan]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

Well spending money on youtube viewer boosting bots isn't right (i'm not saying thats what has happened).

It's just all this splashing cash about doesn't seem very fair especially when all this cash splashing has lead to such high results and through showing no culture either. Sabina last year was a welcome breath of fresh air and (even though yet again, the song was bought from Sweden) I could feel a bit of Azerbaijani heart in the entry.

Azerbaijani are interested in Eurovision enough to spend some money in order to promote their song and your own country isn't as involved in ESC... You jelly?

 

[Andreea]

Re: Proof that Azerbaijan cheats in Eurovision voting

I'm not a frequent guest at this forum, but today I wanna discuss that question with other Eurovision viewers.
You know, everybody who has eyes had to note that strange 12 points from Malta every year:
2010 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
2011 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
2012 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan
2013 - 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan

so what?

2010 - 12 points from Romania to Moldova
2011 - 12 points from Romania to Moldova
2012 - 12 points from Romania to Moldova
2013 - 12 points from Romania to Moldova

are we cheating?