Cheating in Eurovision voting

[Galandar]

I would have understood if people were doing it to "troll", but, unfortunately, I think their motives were much more down to Earth. The idea is to throw **** hoping that it will stick. And as I wrote earlier, this already happened once 4 years ago, but people behind it got exposed. Now this is another try.

a small self-reference to my earlier post in case if someone missed it http://www.escunited.com/t10273-40/#post1024830

It is just called 'information war' and unfortunately some countries hostile to us do this job much better than we do. This fake video prepared prior to the contest and published the next day after the show is a good proof of it. This already happened in 2009 and now we got the same. In the end, we get negative reactions of hundreds of media sources from different contries citing to this video and thousands of people from all over Europe see evil in face of Azerbaijan. That is truly sad

 

[gstt]

If I understand correctly :
People are paid to buy phones and make televoting farms for ESC in Lithuania and Belarus to win points.
Bloggers are paid to publish videos about buying votes.
Other bloggers are paid to discredit the others
Posters are paid to fight against one another on ESC fan forums.
Am I right ?

Probably a conspiracy of the CIA to undermine the flourishing musical industries in eastern Europe and prevent American singers from being kicked out of the music charts by G:son ballads.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

And what does Anke's 'Europe is watching you' has to do with ESC?

Don't blame this on me, it has to do with ESC as Azerbaijan doing stuff they shouldn't have done

 

[Haustor]

Analitika - Informativni Portal - EUROSONG: Sporno sabiranje pobu

Well another scandal. Montenegrin jury gave Ukraine 12 points in both semi-final and final but Ukraine got 0 points in final.
According to this article Ukraine also won televote in semi-final. They do not know results of televote in final and have send letter to EBU asking them to publish their results so that they can see how their 12 pointer got turned into 0.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

As usual your source failed to prove your claim. You claimed that 46 people were arrested. That source claims "a number of people [...] were questioned". Only 43 people voted for Armenia, so a maximum of 43 people could've been questioned.

As usual you spread blatant lies and your source didn't back your lies up. Absolutely no credibility. I look forward to you pretending like this never happened, not taking responsibility or apologizing in any way.

Never stop being you.
'' You said the wrong number so therefore you are lying! Lying lying lying! '' No matter if it was 43 or 46 people still got questioned by the police as they voted for Armenia, how about the police knocking on your door asking why you voted for a country? Corrupt Azerbaijan

Because 39 countries received high points...

Can you ever not argue using illogical arguments and/or blatant lies?
Are you even trying to understand? I mean that if so almost every country in the final had bribed televoters/jury.
'' illogical '' what I meant was that if people says that Denmark bribed the jury/televoters so they could win (this said without any evidence) then almost every country in the final bribed someone.

 

[JackBauer]

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Well another scandal. Montenegrin jury gave Ukraine 12 points in both semi-final and final but Ukraine got 0 points in final.
According to this article Ukraine also won televote in semi-final. They do not know results of televote in final and have send letter to EBU asking them to publish their results so that they can see how their 12 pointer got turned into 0.

Hum hum i think next year we will see the return of 50/50 as opposed to the 1-26. If juries gives you 12 points and you get nothing, what's the point ?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think Azerbaijan has bribed televoters/jury, I mean how could they win when they only got 12 points 3 times in 2011 when they get it 10 times this year?
Bribe

 

[Galandar]

I think Azerbaijan has bribed televoters/jury, I mean how could they win when they only got 12 points 3 times in 2011 when they get it 10 times this year?
Bribe

Proofs??? If there are no proofs then just shut the f... up!

 

[cegs5]

Actually that video doesn't prove anything, but doesn't make any less weird the Malta's vote for example.
Although Azerbaijan has sent good songs and performances, It's still weird that Malta gives 12 points every single year to Azerbaijan, and lately Azerbaijan gives high points to Malta. But as I said, we still dn't have proofs enough of corruption.

 

[Galandar]

Actually that video doesn't prove anything, but doesn't make any less weird the Malta's vote for example.
Although Azerbaijan has sent good songs and performances, It's still weird that Malta gives 12 points every single year to Azerbaijan, and lately Azerbaijan gives high points to Malta. But as I said, we still dn't have proofs enough of corruption.

But Malta is one of those countries Azerbaijan is making promo tours every single year, for instance Farid's promo-tour to Malta. Moreover, there are great relations between our delegations so I think that Maltese jury also votes for Azerbaijan and vice versa.

This year Farid also did a successfull promo tour to Lithuania where he even sang 'Hold Me' live together with Lithuanian chorus.

 

[Galandar]

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Well another scandal. Montenegrin jury gave Ukraine 12 points in both semi-final and final but Ukraine got 0 points in final.
According to this article Ukraine also won televote in semi-final. They do not know results of televote in final and have send letter to EBU asking them to publish their results so that they can see how their 12 pointer got turned into 0.

Ictimai TV and some Azerbaijani jury members claim the same. The jury revealed that they awarded high 10 points to Russian representative yet Russia got no points from Azerbaijan so Ictimai TV will investigate the issue. Russian Channel One also tries to get in touch with EBU representatives in order to find out what exactly happened.

 

[Jeansy]

I wonder if EBU were expecting mass votes from one country to another so they've tried to limit that.

 

[demonl]

THERE IS ALWAYS CORRUPTION IN ENTERTAINMENT COMPETITIONS WHERE MONEY IS INVOLVED!!!!!

From sport to music contests, expect bribes, cheating and corruption to follow. Sometimes it is done from the bottom, by the contestants, and other times it is done at the top by the organisers. Same result either way.

 

[StellaStai]

[h=4]We spoke with one of the Lithuanian journalists who was involved in the video where Eurovision votes were being sold in Azerbaijan's name.[/h]The Azerbaijan votes-for-cash story deepens

 

[Galandar]

We spoke with one of the Lithuanian journalists who was involved in the video where Eurovision votes were being sold in Azerbaijan's name.

The Azerbaijan votes-for-cash story deepens

Sorry but I found no anwers to the questions asked. Answers like 'we don't know' arise even more questions in whether this video was fabricated and the persons were hired to do this anti-PR job or not.

I also have to remind that Farid had a successfull promo tour to Lithuania and as you all know only televoting would not give a chance to Azerbaijan to receive Lithuanian 12 points. We saw it very well on example of Italy where 12 points awarded to Romania by televoters were minimized into 1 final point for the same country.

 

[WhoKnows]

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Well another scandal. Montenegrin jury gave Ukraine 12 points in both semi-final and final but Ukraine got 0 points in final.
According to this article Ukraine also won televote in semi-final. They do not know results of televote in final and have send letter to EBU asking them to publish their results so that they can see how their 12 pointer got turned into 0.

Where would Ukraine need to be with the televotes to miss the scoreboard completely despite getting the jury's 12? Wouldn't it need to be ranked like 20th with the televotes? Seems very unlikely imo.

Was there ever a year with this many questions and accusations about the voting?

 

[Trece]

News from Azerbaijan

"Not only the audience but also the Public Television of Azerbaijan, which is a partner of the European Broadcasting Union, were very surprised by the results of voting. The morning began studying the details of the issue. OTV had reason to doubt, as the survey they showed that the assessment announced by the air did not correspond to the opinion of the public. On the basis of the relevant request, the court, the decision was made to obtain a final data by SMS voting. Mobile operators in the country as there was a court decision, provided that data. Here they are here at your fingertips. I would like to voice them. According to the largest operator of Azercell, voting was as follows: 1. Ukraine - 7893, 2. Russia - 1677. Then follow Malta, Belarus, Georgia, etc. But the data Bakcell: 1. Ukraine - 408, Russia - 380. Finally company data Narmobile: 1. Ukraine 193 2. Russia - 112"

Recall that, according to the head of OTV Azerbaijan Jamil Guliyev, a professional jury, which also exposes the rated contestants also put up the highest score for Russian contestant D.Garipova.

 

[Galandar]

Damn if only I knew there would be so much disgrace towards Azerbaijan, then I would rather entered to one of the bars in Vienna and offered free beer for sms in favour of Azerbaijan It seems there is anyway nothing to lose :twisted:

 

[FallenAngelII]

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Well another scandal. Montenegrin jury gave Ukraine 12 points in both semi-final and final but Ukraine got 0 points in final.
According to this article Ukraine also won televote in semi-final. They do not know results of televote in final and have send letter to EBU asking them to publish their results so that they can see how their 12 pointer got turned into 0.

The Hell. This might turn into a case of someone hacking/altering the results. Hopefully, it'll lead to Denmark being stripped of enough points and Azerbaijan and/or Ukraine getting enough points to win.

Because, seriously, there's no way Russia only gave Ukraine 1 point.

' You said the wrong number so therefore you are lying! Lying lying lying! '' No matter if it was 43 or 46 people still got questioned by the police as they voted for Armenia, how about the police knocking on your door asking why you voted for a country? Corrupt Azerbaijan

A few people being questioned is not the same thing as 46 people being arrested. And it's weird how you never read your own sources. You just try to remember something that happened a few years ago vaguely. When people tell you you're wrong, you insist you're right. Then, when pressed for sources, you Google up a source and don't even read it yourself (because... your time is to precious?) and just link to it.

Are you even trying to understand? I mean that if so almost every country in the final had bribed televoters/jury.
'' illogical '' what I meant was that if people says that Denmark bribed the jury/televoters so they could win (this said without any evidence) then almost every country in the final bribed someone.

39 people did not receive high points, thus 39 countries can't possibly have bribed/cheated. Unless you think a total of 5 for Slovenia in their semi-final is high.

Your attempts at sounding clever always fall flat.

I think Azerbaijan has bribed televoters/jury, I mean how could they win when they only got 12 points 3 times in 2011 when they get it 10 times this year?
Bribe

Because that year, the juries voted for Italy to win while the televoters did not. The disparity between the juries' most voted for entries was so large compared to the televoters, all of their Top 5s suffered... except Azerbaijan, who was #1 with televoters and #2 with juries. The margin between Azerbaijan, Italy and Sweden in 2011 was also very small.

You can do well/win if you get enough high points, not just 12 points. In 2006, Sweden got 5th without a single point above 7.

[h=4]We spoke with one of the Lithuanian journalists who was involved in the video where Eurovision votes were being sold in Azerbaijan's name.[/h]The Azerbaijan votes-for-cash story deepens

Well, that was an interview almost devoid of answers. And it also just raises more questions. Why did they wait 'til the night of the final to pull this off?

Where would Ukraine need to be with the televotes to miss the scoreboard completely despite getting the jury's 12? Wouldn't it need to be ranked like 20th with the televotes? Seems very unlikely imo.

Especially since according to the jury, Ukraine got the televoters' 12 in their semi-final.

News from Azerbaijan

"Not only the audience but also the Public Television of Azerbaijan, which is a partner of the European Broadcasting Union, were very surprised by the results of voting. The morning began studying the details of the issue. OTV had reason to doubt, as the survey they showed that the assessment announced by the air did not correspond to the opinion of the public. On the basis of the relevant request, the court, the decision was made to obtain a final data by SMS voting. Mobile operators in the country as there was a court decision, provided that data. Here they are here at your fingertips. I would like to voice them. According to the largest operator of Azercell, voting was as follows: 1. Ukraine - 7893, 2. Russia - 1677. Then follow Malta, Belarus, Georgia, etc. But the data Bakcell: 1. Ukraine - 408, Russia - 380. Finally company data Narmobile: 1. Ukraine 193 2. Russia - 112"

Recall that, according to the head of OTV Azerbaijan Jamil Guliyev, a professional jury, which also exposes the rated contestants also put up the highest score for Russian contestant D.Garipova.

If these stories are true, then either a hacker and/or person working for Digame has altered the results of at least two countries' votes.

 

[Trece]

The Hell. This might turn into a case of someone hacking/altering the results. Hopefully, it'll lead to Denmark being stripped of enough points and Azerbaijan and/or Ukraine getting enough points to win.

1st way after reading: it would be great and deserved!
2nd way: LOOOL and you believe that someone will change results?