Belarus BELARUS 2021 - not taking part

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[A-lister]

To be fair for Zena's supporting Lukashenko, firstly, she is a very young 18-years-old, who might see the world as black and white. Secondly, she has lived her whole life under Lukashenko's ruling Belarussia, so she has no life experience of any other kind of ruler system same as most of North Korean people have lived their whole life under dictatorship. Thirdly, many dictatorship countries are brainwashing their people, so I am not wondering, Zena is Lukashenko supporter.

And my comment wasn't for supporting Lukashenko, but for clarification Zena's worldview.

I get it, yet I personally know Belarusians who also grew up with Lukashenko who at least opened their eyes lately (they weren't perhaps defending him before either, but were more neutral at least). I know she's young, but I also think it's dangerous to give people a pass when you can literally see people being tortured on the streets. I mean when I was 18 I was certainly immature in many ways (although I probably saw myself as an adult), but I still knew that fascist dictatorships isn't a good thing.

You have to understand that while Belarus is isolated... it's not... it's not like North Korea at all, people have been free to go abroad and I think even internet has been pretty open (at least until recently) and Zena is from a generation that is on social media all the time (so is she), she is not an old lady that grew up during USSR and later on lived under Lukashenko and can barely operate a computer, let alone a smart phone

Don't get me wrong, I know what structural brainwashing can do (we even have it in Sweden to some extent starting from Kindergarten), and I know that the masses out there aren't that invested in reading and learning about politics etc. so yes, I know it's a bit complex.

 

[heke1988]

I get it, yet I personally know Belarusians who also grew up with Lukashenko who at least opened their eyes lately (they weren't perhaps defending him before either, but were more neutral at least). I know she's young, but I also think it's dangerous to give people a pass when you can literally see people being tortured on the streets. I mean when I was 18 I was certainly immature in many ways (although I probably saw myself as an adult), but I still knew that fascist dictatorships isn't a good thing.

I also think, that torturing people is bad. But luckily I have never lived a country, which allows torture their citizens. My opinions could be different, if I had born in Russia or China and which kind of environment I would have lived. If I had gained raising by parents, who are supporting dictator, very likely I would have also became dictator supporter. This is just an example, because raising environment effects person's opinions, at least in childhood.

 

[rasmuslights]

I also think, that torturing people is bad. But luckily I have never lived a country, which allows torture their citizens. My opinions could be different, if I had born in Russia or China and which kind of environment I would have lived. If I had gained raising by parents, who are supporting dictator, very likely I would have also became dictator supporter. This is just an example, because raising environment effects person's opinions, at least in childhood.

for sure! the way parents think often affects the children opinions.. tho not in all cases.

 

[A-lister]

I also think, that torturing people is bad. But luckily I have never lived a country, which allows torture their citizens. My opinions could be different, if I had born in Russia or China and which kind of environment I would have lived. If I had gained raising by parents, who are supporting dictator, very likely I would have also became dictator supporter. This is just an example, because raising environment effects person's opinions, at least in childhood.

I do get your point, and I agree that it's not black and white, but we also are thinking individuals. Look at all those brave Belarusians taking it to the streets, many of them are in Zena's age and grew up in pretty much the same environment, and now they risk their lives for what is right. We still have a choice in the end of the day, I am not saying it's easy, bit it's there.

 

[Geborgenheit]

This is just an example, because raising environment effects person's opinions, at least in childhood.

Quite often children rebel against their parents.

Considering what is happening in Belarus, it is only justified that the country is not allowed to participate. I would also go further and say that Russia should be banned because of the war in eastern Ukraine.

 

[heke1988]

for sure! the way parents think often affects the children opinions.. tho not in all cases.

Yeah, you are right about that. Also schools are raising children.

I do get your point, and I agree that it's not black and white, but we also are thinking individuals. Look at all those brave Belarusians taking it to the streets, many of them are in Zena's age and grew up in pretty much the same environment, and now they risk their lives for what is right. We still have a choice in the end of the day, I am not saying it's easy, bit it's there.

We can't force Zena to join and march with them, otherwise we are just like dictators and manipulators. She has to herself realize in her mind, Lukashenko is a bad man and Lukashenko must be overthrow.

 

[A-lister]

Quite often children rebel against their parents.

Considering what is happening in Belarus, it is only justified that the country is not allowed to participate. I would also go further and say that Russia should be banned because of the war in eastern Ukraine.

This! And I agree on the comment about Russia too, but we know EBU don't care... Russia is currently occupying lands in three active ESC countries as we speak (Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova) and EBU seem unbothered by that so

 

[A-lister]

We can't force Zena to join and march with them, otherwise we are just like dictators and manipulators. She has to herself realize in her mind, Lukashenko is a bad man and Lukashenko must be overthrow.

No we can't force her, but we can also choose to not support her right?

 

[heke1988]

Quite often children rebel against their parents.

Considering what is happening in Belarus, it is only justified that the country is not allowed to participate. I would also go further and say that Russia should be banned because of the war in eastern Ukraine.

Well technically Belarus is still allowed to participate this year's competition either changing their song or artist. If they don't do that, then they will disqualified by this year's competition.

But I agree on that, Belarus should be banned.

 

[heke1988]

No we can't force her, but we can also choose to not support her right?

Yes, but until we do so, we must understand her opinions, worldview and which kind of environment she has lived her life. Only then we can understand, why she is thinking by the way she is. I didn't answer your point, that as Belarussian Zena has possibility to use Internet and social media. Perhaps she has using them, but which kind of information and news she is reading on them, is a good question.

 

[Charly]

Well can't really blame Zena's allegience to Lukasehnko.

before the events happening she was pretty much sugar coated by BRTC and Lukashenko

 

[Mainshow]

Lukashenko will stick to his chosen entrant

Belarus: BTRC Continues to Name Galasy ZMesta As Eurovision Representatives - Eurovoix

BTRC has continued to state this evening that Galasy ZMesta are the Belarusian representative for Eurovision as the lead of the group refuses to talk about the meaning of their song.

eurovoix.com

 

[RainyWoods]

Lukashenko will stick to his chosen entrant

Belarus: BTRC Continues to Name Galasy ZMesta As Eurovision Representatives - Eurovoix

BTRC has continued to state this evening that Galasy ZMesta are the Belarusian representative for Eurovision as the lead of the group refuses to talk about the meaning of their song.

eurovoix.com

Not that some random new puppet would have been much if any better. This was going to be cursed entry regardless.

 

[pjelacki]

I could have lived with an artist that remains neutral towards the protests (and BTRC can pretend they'd be pro-regime when they really might not be)

but this... no. just no.

 

[A-lister]

Lukashenko will stick to his chosen entrant

Belarus: BTRC Continues to Name Galasy ZMesta As Eurovision Representatives - Eurovoix

BTRC has continued to state this evening that Galasy ZMesta are the Belarusian representative for Eurovision as the lead of the group refuses to talk about the meaning of their song.

eurovoix.com

Just ban the broadcaster already, this group was problematic already in the past (according to a close Belarusian friend of mine, they've been mocking protests and oppositional politicians the whole time, it's their "thing" and not just this particular song they came out with).

 

[AlekS]

Lukashenko: "If something goes wrong, we will change the song".


Madonna is an oracle. First she predicted corona, now this:

 

[Sean]

The wording there tells you everything you need to know. I would say what I think of Lukashenko but t wouldn't surprise me if he has some kind of control over his name being mentioned on the internet.

 

[RainyWoods]

Just ban the broadcaster already, this group was problematic already in the past (according to a close Belarusian friend of mine, they've been mocking protests and oppositional politicians the whole time, it's their "thing" and not just this particular song they came out with).

I read as well (I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere) that the groups other songs contain homophobic and transphobic lyrics. Just another layer on top of the hot mess that are Galasy ZMesta. It's really rotten how they're going to be at this year's contest, a Eurovision that should be a special one for all of us after the nightmare that was 2020. We can ignore them but there's still going to be a really ugly elephant in the room.

 

[John1]

omg please noooo

 

[A-lister]

I read as well (I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere) that the groups other songs contain homophobic and transphobic lyrics. Just another layer on top of the hot mess that are Galasy ZMesta. It's really rotten how they're going to be at this year's contest, a Eurovision that should be a special one for all of us after the nightmare that was 2020. We can ignore them but there's still going to be a really ugly elephant in the room.

I mean, I don't know all their "work", but what you say doesn't come as a surprise either, they just sime generally vile. Although, I must add it's tricky to balance, so I generally do agree with the notion that EBU can't, and shouldn't, act as some general "moral police" and start to lecture on "right" or "wrong", but I think the red line is when a broadcaster is involved somehow in severe human rights violations (which is the case with Belarus).