Austria AUSTRIA 2023 - Teya & Salena - Who the Hell is Edgar?

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Ezio]

But isn't it great that Sweden, Norway and Finnland are in the same semi?

In the smaller semi and in the 2nd half of course. The luck of the Swedes didn’t go unnoticed.

if we would miss out narrowly, we could blame the draw. Swiss and German televotes I would take almost for granted, Serbia this time around also, but at least we have our lovely Slovenia with us.

 

[Datura]

I´m getting bad Sisters vibes when I look at these two girls.

It does not sound like the sisters Song at all

 

[Lindon]

In the smaller semi and in the 2nd half of course. The luck of the Swedes didn’t go unnoticed.

if we would miss out narrowly, we could blame the draw. Swiss and German televotes I would take almost for granted, Serbia this time around also, but at least we have our lovely Slovenia with us.

As Stefan Zechner said, if the new rules turn out to be a voting block festival, participation will have to be reconsidered by ORF.

 

[MopManMoss]

Your song isnt even out yet and you're already making excuses for it, why is it that you think that Austria cant fail in eurovision it can only be failed? Go back into the 2022 Austria thread and read some of the things you posted after it became very apparent that Pia Maria couldnt sing, get out of this mentality its not helpful

 

[DanielLuis]

Your song isnt even out yet and you're already making excuses for it, why is it that you think that Austria cant fail in eurovision it can only be failed? Go back into the 2022 Austria thread and read some of the things you posted after it became very apparent that Pia Maria couldnt sing, get out of this mentality its not helpful

It's all a conspiracy against poor little Austria, haven't you heard?
If the EBU and the Eurovision fandom were't so mean as to rig everything against Austria, they would have been a true Eurovision powerhouse, the kind that would have at least 3 wins in the last decade alone.

 

[DanielLuis]

For real though, Austria got lumped in the semi-final that is thoeretically the easiest one for anyone that pays attention to anything that happened in the past 5 years of Eurovision. The only regular qualifiers on SF2 are Australia and Greece, that's it, everyone else has more or less the same rate of qualification in recent years, except for poor Georgia that hasn't made it to the Final in 7 years now. It's a pretty even field, before hearing the songs.

It's also the semi-final where Albania and Belgium were placed, AKA 2 of the only 3 songs revealed so far, and not to a great reception. It's also the semi-final where at least Denmark, Iceland and Romania have been placed, AKA 3 countries with their NF songs out, and where the reception to said songs was also lukewarm at best.

There's no way of looking at this draw and thinking that Austria had bad luck or that anyone conspired against them, unless you're just looking for BS reasons on purpose to come up with this conclusion.

 

[Sammy]

I find it ever so amusing how simple ESC-fans draw comparisons: a black man on stage : oh Jon Lundvik!! some words in spanish: fuego all the way!! Two women together: S!sters!!!
And EVERYtime: withouth knowing the song yet.

 

[njdevils94]

 

[aef]

As Stefan Zechner said, if the new rules turn out to be a voting block festival, participation will have to be reconsidered by ORF.

I mean just please stop that narrative everyone. We don’t have 2007 anymore, as you can see based on the results of the past 5-10 years, the televoting qualifiers have been 90% the same as the jury qualifiers.

As for the draw, what’s to complain about? is the lucky one again, huh? guys please! This is very silly and embarrassing. And talking about corruption, just look at the index by transparency international, is in the top 5 countries there while lost about 10 places and is now on 22nd position

 

[marty]

I am also annoyed by posts moaning about poor little Austria getting neglected by the rest of europe. But I also want to say that most of the Austrian users here dont do that.
This year we really cant complain about the draw. If Austria wont make it to the final then because of a cheap song or a bad performance. Like it happened in the last three years.

 

[Ezio]

We can complain about the draw of course, depending on the result. We dont have many voting allies and those we have arent with us. We are always bound to fail. ORF consciously turned their back on Eurovision after 2005 because of this.

Also, semi 1 has one less chance to fail from the get go.

As experienced Austrian Eurofan, you know your scores and what to expect.

 

[Lindon]

Come on. I was just quoting what the Austrian HOD said during a panel discussion at the University of Vienna, where non-fandom participants questioned whether it was okay to spend public money to attend an event with so many political aspects.

 

[Mainshow]

Come on. I was just quoting what the Austrian HOD said during a panel discussion at the University of Vienna, where non-fandom participants questioned whether it was okay to spend public money to attend an event with so many political aspects.

Such panel discussions are outrageous, imo.
It´s not like "non-fandom people" ask a broadcaster if it´s alright to spend public money on "Tatort" and other TV series.
Eurovision is political but when it comes to qualifications, it´s almost even - you "simply" need a good song and a brilliant performance (for a few countries, a medicore song and good performance will make do, a privilege or can´t enjoy, for sure but it´s possible).

I hate comments like the one by the Austrian head of delegation... what do you expect? PAENDA was a sure NQ straight from the beginning, I love "Amen" but that year was very competitive (and finishing #12 in the semi is not that bad...) and even though "Halo" was competitive, it was the worst vocal performance of the whole year....

Dunno, if "Poe" is the right song to convince viewers you´ve got a "good" song but let´s wait for the reveal/the other competitiors... but it´s always the same... blaming Eastern Europe and politics for not advancing to the final and blaming Western Europe and politics for not qualifying... So Central European countries should be fine, no?

 

[simori95]

We can complain about the draw of course, depending on the result. We dont have many voting allies and those we have arent with us. We are always bound to fail. ORF consciously turned their back on Eurovision after 2005 because of this.

Also, semi 1 has one less chance to fail from the get go.

As experienced Austrian Eurofan, you know your scores and what to expect.

Semi 1 is (likely) the bloodbath, you guys got lucky. And yes, you can always complain about everything, human rights or something, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to listen. Saying „if the result is bad, it must be because of the draw“ takes away any sort of blame Austria might have. Thats delusional. It completely takes away the possibility that the act or Song just really don’t deserve it.

 

[Ezio]

Semi 1 is (likely) the bloodbath, you guys got lucky. And yes, you can always complain about everything, human rights or something, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to listen. Saying „if the result is bad, it must be because of the draw“ takes away any sort of blame Austria might have. Thats delusional. It completely takes away the possibility that the act or Song just really don’t deserve it.

Speak for your own country. And it's mostly your country being dismissive af about Cesar Sampson's result.

As long as you all feel entitled to claiming how overrated he was and just jury bait without taking into account that his televoting score got shellacked by the running order compared to semi, I won' back down on insisting on our natural handicap in this competition.

You can count on me next year.

 

[Datura]

i did not necessarily read what zechner said as "if austria does bad we must reconsider" but rather if u see that the voting system favors block voting like it used to be (and that was an issue u have to admit that, even more than it still is at eurovision) then u have to evaluate if u wanna be part of this (of course they will not mind overall block voting if austria does well still i think what he meant was that these patterns should be avoided. at least i give him the benefit of doubt )

 

[MopManMoss]

Speak for your own country. And it's mostly your country being dismissive af about Cesar Sampson's result.

As long as you all feel entitled to claiming how overrated he was and just jury bait without taking into account that his televoting score got shellacked by the running order compared to semi, I won' back down on insisting on our natural handicap in this competition.

You can count on me next year.

Is the 2018 grand final running order in the room with us right now?

 

[simori95]

Speak for your own country. And it's mostly your country being dismissive af about Cesar Sampson's result.

As long as you all feel entitled to claiming how overrated he was and just jury bait without taking into account that his televoting score got shellacked by the running order compared to semi, I won' back down on insisting on our natural handicap in this competition.

You can count on me next year.

Thanks for putting us all in a box, that's fantastic.

In advance: Sorry for this long a** message. I have no idea who is or isn't dismissive about César's entry, and it quite frankly doesn't have anything to do with me or my nationality, what others say. Is César's televote your only reason for your insistence? It currently sounds like that. If so, I would like to ask where you believe he was shellacked. I just looked up the numbers again to get informed on the matter. 116 vs. 71 points is not a huge drop, first of all. Most countries rather lose points than gain some, because you have much more competitors in the grand final. Yes, there are a few that gain points, some even massively so, like Israel and Cyprus did in that semi, but it's very rare. Also, when we compare the countries with kinda similar televote points from your semi, almost all of them haven't done super great, and the position in the grand final doesn't even seem to have mattered.

If we exclude Israel, which we should because it was a clear favorite to win from the get go and it was also clearly that Toy would be very memorable, You can see that all others that were closest in the televote to Austria lost points as well. Ireland actually almost the same amount, despite having an excellent spot in the running order, and Finland has less than one third of the points in the semi, and they also had an acceptable spot in the final. Plus, the "voting friends" of Finland, like the other scandinavians weren't actually in their semi, with the exception of Estonia. Now, Estonia obviously retained a bit more of their semi result. But - it's opera and will stand out very much in your mind, even when it's sixth.

César was a good entry, I don't think it was pure jury bait, and the decent televote result kind of proves that. It was just a tad too inoffensive to score much better in the final, where it was more easily overlooked. But I highly doubt it has anything to do with conspiracy, having too few voting friends or that the running order is to blame. It came right before the very memorable Estonia. Even if Austria had been 20th, I believe many would have forgotten about it a bit - as soon as Elina took to the stage - despite liking it.

However, of course feel free to keep your opinion. Just let me assure you - if your entry is good, and memorable, it won't do too badly no matter the running order. But that also means that running order is something you cannot blame EVERYthing on if you don't get the result you want.

Country:	Position Semi:	Televote Semi:	Position GF:	Televote GF:
Austria	13	116	5	71
Estonia	9	120	6	102
Ireland	18	108	24	62
Israel	7	116	22	317
Finland	15	73	17	23

 

[Ezio]

First of all, people were claiming, Cesar wouldn't survive the bloodbath in semi 1, and yet he did. Then they were complaining it was pure jury bait, when in fact he got the same score as Israel in the semi, and got 246 points less than Israel in the GF with Israel perfoming 17 slots later than him. In any case, the success was doubted beforehand, and belittled afterwards, and by whom? Germanizers, mostly.

And then, it's funny how Germans always come to talk down on our entries, I mean, literally, every year, and yet Austria is the country with better results since 2014. I mean, even if we didn't qualify, there is no way, that Paenda, Vincent Bueno or Halo would have made the German zero points go away. It's not a level playing field between us, but German failures speak for themselves. I am just not having Germans projecting their frustrations on us. We have our own with this competition, and if you want to shut me up, good luck trying, dear neighbours.

Paenda was not shit, Halo wasn't shit. The German act 2020 sang way worse than them. Of course, Paenda ruined the song herself by letting her nerves get the best of her, but Halo wasn't ruined by Pia, it was ruined by the lackluster staging.

As a matter of a fact, we are underdogs, trying something different every year, and having a semi with one more country to perform, and with lots of competitors who usually don't vote for us. In a close disqualification for the Finals, this could be the difference. I can't wait how this is gonna turn out. Don't tell me afterwards, I was not ready.

Televoting-only semifinals can make us leave the competition in the long run. That's not petty, that's just fair. Luckily for this year, the big voting blocs on the Balkan and with Russia are kinda broken up, but that's not set in stone going forward.



At least ESC United is not as bad as Esc-kompakt, where I am glady not registered. The Austrian subforums are always full of contempt.

 

[MopManMoss]

Halo wasn't ruined by Pia, it was ruined by the lackluster staging.

You are deluding yourself, there is not a large eurovision conspiracy against Austria like you seem to think there is. Also you really need to let go of 2018 and I say that as someone who had Cesar as their 2018 grand final winner