Austria AUSTRIA 2014 - Conchita Wurst - Rise like a Phoenix

[rayoflight55]

I'm sorry if my previous comment hurts you, it wasn't my intention.

I didn't refer to your comments. They were perfectly reasonable and acceptable.

I thought of all the hateful comments displayed everywhere possible on Internet. I'm shocked and devastated by the violence of the words. Shocked and devastated, but sadly not surprised...

Anyway, on a more positive note and for those who can read French, there's a very interesting article on "Le Monde.fr" : Eurovision : la victoire de Conchita Wurst vue d'Autriche.

Their correspondent in Vienna says that the victory of Conchita is a "divine surprise" for Austria. The country is frequently seen as an ultra-conservative country, but wrongly. Things have changed for the good and Conchita is the living proof that Austria has now become one of the most tolerant and progressive country in Europe, not to say the world.

 

[Sean]

Dana International consider herself a woman and she tried her best to be a woman . Beautiful, not so appealing, fat or slim... it doesn't matter, she is a woman. Thomas is a man who wanted to get attention. You cannot say "Conchita" looks like a woman, Tom doesn't even try to look like a woman, he tries to perform as an unique character. He wanted Conchita’s character to stand out, not even trying to stand in. Dana was perceived as a woman, “Conchita” as a freak female character. Anyway, I voted for Austria cause the performance was good,especially in the Semi2.

Dana succeeded while standing in, Tom succeeded in showbiz only by standing out, getting attention. It's really a difference between Dana, Marija and Thomas.

Yes but all three fall under different strands of the LGBT spectrum and even though I'm a straight male it frustrates me when people aren't given equal opportunities just because of their preferences or appearance...

Offtopic but are you actually Moldovan btw? I've never seen a Moldovan on here until now

 

[Mrm]

I don't mind when people dislike this winning purely through not liking the song, but seeing comments about their dislike of the LGBT side of things is sad. The same people likely had no problems with Dana International or Marija Serifovic but as soon as you add a beard and nothing else people lose their freaking minds

I dislike cause of the lame composition, dated approach, weak vocal skills..t

 

[Sean]

I dislike cause of the lame composition, dated approach, weak vocal skills..t

And that's fine like I say People just get a bit personal imo

 

[Mrm]

And where are albums and singles of this so called sinher, where are concerts in big and smaller vanues, where are some notable live performances of herown and other known songs? Sorry but I can't appreciate that person as an artist cause there isn't anything to appreciate about..in music industry this i called attention seeker..

 

[Mrm]

The winner with the most dislikes EVER..performance from the final has almost more dislikes than likes...

 

[Sean]

The winner with the most dislikes EVER..performance from the final has almost more dislikes than likes...

Most of them won't have anything to do with the song :?

 

[Bluebird]

Well, this year, I cried two times. First, when she won. Second, when I read the comments on Internet.

*hug*

So, it's time for me to pay tribute to the first ever Eurovision drag-queen, Jonny Nymoen, and to thank all the drag acts for putting so much sunshine in my life :

Romeo was a bit underrated with only 44 points and a 12th position. Beautiful memories are coming back to me, I watched this performance a million times as an 8 year old young boy. The funny backing dancers impressed me a lot. It took me ten years before I understood that one of them was a drag queen

 

[Mrm]

Most of them won't have anything to do with the song :?

And what about likes LOOL

Likes even more, believe me, or suddenly everybody appreciate old fashioned ballads sung by average - below average singer standing alone on the stage? 3

Yeah yeah sure, likes are because ppl love to listen to this song, no matter who sings it!

 

[Sean]

I don't like or dislike any videos on YouTube so wouldn't have a reason to. But the performance was fantastic regardless of what's on her face

 

[satinelamort]

Of course the whole act is a way to get attention. One of my friends was actually saying that Austria wouldn't have won if it wasn't for the beard. Everyone needs a hook, an instant appeal. First and foremost the song has to stand on its own, but a certain amount of charisma is needed to get people off their sofas.
To be honest, at first I thought it would either be a novelty song or a very mediocre ballad for substandard karaoke parties. Just knowing little snippets of Conchita previously I thought it would be somewhere in the middle of my top37 list. When the song was announced I had already picked my favorites so imagine my surprise listening to 'rise like a phoenix' for the first time. I loved it instantly, always saying that I was surprised how good this actually is. It exceeded my expectations.
All my friends who were watching her for the first time on Saturday said the same thing. The song is surprisingly good, although some were not so sure whether it could be played on the radio and become a hit. And there's also no denying that her vocals were spot on, very professional and leaving a strong impact.
So yeah, it's never just about the song. Some of my friends didn't like Sanna saying she looked incredibly old and that her song was also dated beyond belief, which I disagreed with but sometimes appearances and charisma are also important. (See Lena in 2010, she was by no means the best singer but there was something about her that made her objectively cute song into the winner.)

And I have to add this little snippet of thought into the conversation. Some say she's not a 'woman' because of the beard and that it's an insult to nature. :roll:
Really people? What about pubic hair? Insulting, unhygienic? Or hair on arms and legs? Some say it's okay for men, but women are not allowed to have it? Really? Well maybe everybody should take a closer look in the mirror next time because, shock, there's hair everywhere on our bodies. Some very thin and therefore not noticeable, other not so much. And yes, there are even 'real' women who have a beard. (most notably a mustache) and I'm sad that the perception of beauty is so severely distorted that a little facial hair is 'some sign of the devil himself going against nature'.
Really think about it. No woman stranded on a deserted island would look as polished as the ones in TV shows or movies. (Certain men would probably not fare any better.)

 

[Etl]

Esc was going the good way the last years and more people started to think that esc is at last a serious competition with quality songs and not gimmick circus acts.
But, with Conchita's victory, casual viewers were like "oh well, it was never a serious competition after all". I am not saying they are right or wrong. What I am saying is that esc would be followed by more people if Netherlands or Sweden or even Hungary had won. The beard confused people or even apalled them and that's a negative thing.
You may say who cares about people who cannot understand the message she conveyed. Well, a decision must be made; we either want a popular competition appealing to the majority or a closed circle one that embraces every appearance.

 

[IncognitoGH]

This victory certainly has tarnished the image of the ESC. People I know who are 'casual' viewers, are just mocking the show now.

 

[Mrm]

This victory certainly has tarnished the image of the ESC. People I know who are 'casual' viewers, are just mocking the show now.

Here is even worse, everybody are laughing like crazy, and all ppl post jokes about this at fb, twitter...

Eeeh Lena and Loreen, your job was useless it seems

 

[cegs5]

Here is even worse, everybody are laughing like crazy, and all ppl post jokes about this at fb, twitter...

Eeeh Lena and Loreen, your job was useless it seems

There are plenty of jokes about Lena and Loreen as well... when people want to troll they just do it, ans ESC has such a reputation already...so please!

 

[greece]

Esc was going the good way the last years and more people started to think that esc is at last a serious competition with quality songs and not gimmick circus acts.
But, with Conchita's victory, casual viewers were like "oh well, it was never a serious competition after all". I am not saying they are right or wrong. What I am saying is that esc would be followed by more people if Netherlands or Sweden or even Hungary had won. The beard confused people or even apalled them and that's a negative thing.
You may say who cares about people who cannot understand the message she conveyed. Well, a decision must be made; we either want a popular competition appealing to the majority or a closed circle one that embraces every appearance.

Cause the people don't want to accept Conchita doesn't mean that Eurovision is circus. People wanted quality songs and one of them won. If the people don't want to accept the different is their own problem. They should start understand that there is and homosexual people in this world who have the same rights with the others. Conchita is competing not for the homosexual people, but for everyone. But if she had take part with a eurotrash song she wouldn't have won. It wasn't the beard that bring the victory but the song.

These two options that you set are wrong. The people must start be more openminded, or at least respect the difference. A man dressed like woman to pass messange doesn't make ESC circus. Circus is a place for animals not for artist. Everyone should have the right to compete in ESC without make fan of him/her... but I suppose the people aren't ready for this

Btw it isn't attack to you Eti

 

[Mrm]

There are plenty of jokes about Lena and Loreen as well... when people want to troll they just do it, ans ESC has such a reputation already...so please!

But everybody in current music world would detest a dated and not only dated cause dated can be quality, but this composition is dated + bad, and ahat 2014 winner, while Loreen and Lena are really current and AMAZING.. they bring quality to this festival..

 

[Adrian]

This victory certainly has tarnished the image of the ESC. People I know who are 'casual' viewers, are just mocking the show now.

Here is even worse, everybody are laughing like crazy, and all ppl post jokes about this at fb, twitter...

Eeeh Lena and Loreen, your job was useless it seems

That does not say anything about the contest, in fact it says something about the people who make these kind of jokes and who think that the Contest is now tarnished.
If they can't accept someone who is different to what they are used to then it proves that those people are narrow-minded and they are the people who will carry on the prejudices that exist in this world.
I honestly do not understand why people think that Conchita winning sets the ESC back? I need some reasons because, using the two artists you mentioned, Conchita runs rings around Lena and Loreen vocally and honestly what is so ground-breaking and special about Lena and Satellite? I mean that is a generic pop song.

Conchita wasn't a step back in the world of Eurovision, she was a massive step forward in bringing this back to being the Eurovision SONG Contest

 

[Mrm]

OMFG did I really read this!! Loreen and Lena are miles above this SHITE vocally and in terms of modernity!

 

[greece]

Lena? 3 Loreen maybe is the same level, but Conchita is definately milles better than Lena vocally