قطر - Qatar

[goktengri]

Why is it unfair? And there's no comparison with Israel really. Israel has entered since the 70's and has a whole other connection, also Israel compete with Europe when it comes to world cups etc, these other countries doesn't.

Those countries could start Arabvision or be included in some Worldvision, now it's about EUROvision though and none of them is European.

Wouldn't it be easier if you started a Worldvision thread here to discuss this? Just a suggestion..

Israel has strong relations with Europe, that's the main reason that they are accepted in many European competitions. I don't think that there are other reasons.

But why shouldn't we give them a chance too, if they want to contact with us..

 

[A-lister]

Israel has strong relations with Europe, that's the main reason that they are accepted in many European competitions. I don't think that there are other reasons.

But why shouldn't we give them a chance too, if they want to contact with us..

It's not only that, Israel can't compete regionally because they are not accepted in their region. This is the main reason why Israel is included as part of Europe when it comes to UEFA events etc.

Israel has competed since 1970's in Eurovision, there's not much to discuss really.. would be quite unlogical to through out a country from the contest that competed for like 30 years?

And again, Eurovision should stay Eurovision and those countries you're mentioning are not in Europe. Pretty logical to me atleast. It would just a be a joke calling it "EUROvision" when it's actually Eurabiavision or Worldvision. It's just not the same. Also there are historical reasons behind Eurovsion, other than just being a musical show.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

@Adam, according to such logic if Switzerland sends an entry heavily influenced by Arabian culture then it should be treated differently.
Their political situation and their laws is their own business. I'm interested in their music. Nothing will change because of 1 country. And nobody's going to turn Eurovision on Worldvision because it's technically impossible. If their government will agree to integrate themselves into Europe, become more European culturally, I'd gave them a chance.

I dont care about what culture the act/song is from. It's about the country.

United Kingdom - geographically Europe, culturally Europe - should be allowed.
Israel - not geographically Europe, culturally Europe - should be allowed.
Kazakhstan - geographically Europe, not culturally Europe - should also be allowed.
Qatar - not geographically Europe, not culturally Europe - shouldnt be allowed.

 

[A-lister]

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Actually Kazakhstan is quite heavily influenced by Russian culture, so I would say that they're partly culturally European aswell as partly geographically European.

I agree with you though. It has nothing to do with singer or song, it has to do with Eurovision not turning into some sort of Worldvision or Eurabiavision. If the UK want to send an Arabic artist with arabic song then go ahead. So I think we think the same here, but people just don't get it.

 

[AlekS]

It's about the country.

You rate the best performance, not the best country :shock:

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

You rate the best perforamnce, not the best country :shock:

Countries are admitted at first based on the country, not performance as they wont have had one before they join...

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

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Actually Kazakhstan is quite heavily influenced by Russian culture, so I would say that they're partly culturally European aswell as partly geographically European.

I agree with you though. It has nothing to do with singer or song, it has to do with Eurovision not turning into some sort of Worldvision or Eurabiavision. If the UK want to send an Arabic artist with arabic song then go ahead. So I think we think the same here, but people just don't get it.

Shhh about Kazakhstan!! It was the best example I could think of .

And yupp to your second point!!
We sent Javine in 2005, it doesnt mean we are Turkish!!

 

[AlekS]

Countries are admitted at first based on the country, not performance as they wont have had one before they join...

Based on technical, financial features and accordance with rules.
Not on cultural or nationalistic features... thankfully :shock:

 

[A-lister]

Have people even forgot the name of this contest?

EUROvision?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Based on technical, financial features and accordance with rules.
Not on cultural or nationalistic features... thankfully :shock:

Well I really dont see sense in a country joining a gay competition where 50%+ of the fans would be locked up for 5 years if it was hosted there. Also I dont see the sense in an Arabic country joining a European contest, unless the sense is the same as Fifa's...

 

[AlekS]

And I see no sense in being negative and laying crap at countries and whole nations if they don't fit your sense-borders.
As for Qatar. They should be developed, if this helps them to improve I'd gave them such chance.

 

[A-lister]

I see this discussion going round and round. Some people obviously don't understand what Europe is. My suggestion is that the ones that wants to turn Eurovision into Worldvision or Eurabiavision starts a new thread lobbying for that. Until Qatar is officially European, which it will never be, then I see it quite weird to force it into a contest named EUROvision just for the sake of "the more the merrier", sometimes "the more the merrier" could just be ridiculous as it would be in this case.

And it has nothing to do with "hate" toward certain countries or whatever, if one are not willing to understand the point others making then I mean c'mon? Some want Eurovision to continue being a European contest, what's wrong with that?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I see this discussion going round and round. Some people obviously don't understand what Europe is. My suggestion is that the ones that wants to turn Eurovision into Worldvision or Eurabiavision starts a new thread lobbying for that. Until Qatar is officially European, which it will never be, then I see it quite weird to force it into a contest named EUROvision just for the sake of "the more the merrier", sometimes "the more the merrier" could just be ridiculous as it would be int this case.

xyeah

Eurovision has expanded to the whole of Europe now, that is quite enough. It works well as it does now, why try and change it? EBU needs to focus on improving and developing the competition without the distraction of adding non-European countries.

 

[AlekS]

My suggerstion is that some should chill down and stop jumping at me for having my opinon

Eurovision can accept Qatar and it has all rights to do so. Like or not but Qatar belongs to Eurovision

 

[A-lister]

How a country that has nothing to do with Europe, not even geographically, "belongs" to EUROvision (like it's some sort of God given right) is beyond my understanding.

No one jumps at you, but obviously if one is not politically correct and want all the world to take part in Eurovision then that's not allowed to think so? Then we are all automatically xenophobic etc.? :?

Well let's have a Worldvision then, 10 semifinals, voting results being presented the next day... now that would be awesome! *irony*

If Qatar won, then the Swedish delegate wouldn't even be able to travel there since head of it is openly gay

But I guess Qatar is more "in" Europe than Sweden :?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Perhaps once the Big 3 withdraw, Qatar's oil money can float the contest .

 

[AlekS]

How a country that has nothing to do with Europe, not even geographically, "belongs" to EUROvision (like it's some sort of God given right) is beyond my understanding.

Read the EBU rules then.

No one jumps at you, but obviously if one is not politically correct and want all the world to take part in Eurovision then that's not allowed to think so? Then we are all automatically xenophobic etc.?

And why do you ask me?

Well let's have a Worldvision then, 10 semifinals, voting results being presented the next day... now that would be awesome! *irony*

Actually the only one who talks about Worlvision all the time is you
I don't get what it has to do with allowing just 1 country.

If Qatar won, then the Swedish delegate wouldn't even be able to travel there since head of it is openly gay

But I guess Qatar is more "in" Europe than Sweden :?

I guess that by the time they join they will be more integrated in Europe but of course some don't even give them a chance. I don't think that Qatar should be left where they are, they will never become integrated if there will be such attitude.

 

[AlekS]

Perhaps once the Big 3 withdraw, Qatar's oil money can float the contest .

Qatar's oil money could float the contest long time ago. Why did they start negotiating only last year?

 

[A-lister]

Read the EBU rules then.


And why do you ask me?

Because you made up such assumptions. Actually I know the EBU rules, does that mean I have to agree with every aspect of them? Nope!

Actually the only one who talks about Worlvision all the time is you
I don't get what it has to do with allowing just 1 country.

It always starts with "just 1"...

I guess that by the time they join they will be more integrated in Europe but of course some don't even give them a chance. I don't think that Qatar should be left where they are, they will never become integrated if there will be such attitude.

And pigs can fly aswell...

People who lived in more than one generation in some Western countries haven't integrated in those societies, yet somehow a whole country would integrate into Europe just because it takes part in a contest? :?

Anyways, Australia could be considered "integrated European", still I don't want them in Eurovision cause they are not European.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I guess that by the time they join they will be more integrated in Europe but of course some don't even give them a chance. I don't think that Qatar should be left where they are, they will never become integrated if there will be such attitude.

Aleks, you must understand that they dont want to accept the rights of women and gay people. What's stopping them giving equal rights now? Nothing.
Eurovision is a gay contest and it is morally wrong for a country to join where homosexuality is illegal. If we are so desperate to change their complete disregard for human rights then you refuse to allow their entry into the contest until they change. Even then I would not accept their membership however because they are no European.