قطر - Qatar

[MyHeartIsYours]

I don't want Morocco back either and when they did participate it was a very different world, we were in the middle of the Cold War.
I don't fear Qatar at all, just I won't accept a backward country in my European contest. Let them have Arabvision, I'm sure it'd be great.

I notice how none of the pro-Arab people have failed to answer my question so I will state it again - how is Qatar remotely European?

 

[AlekS]

^

It may be low, but still soooo true and you know it!

If it's soooo true - prove it!
Without badmouthing. Real numbers, real video proofs.

 

[AlekS]

I notice how none of the pro-Arab people ...

One more remark about nationality and you'll fail in general


There are EBU rules. If you disagree - don't play the game and don't complain.
It's not nationalistic song contest. And it's not about who's more European or less.

 

[A-lister]

If it's soooo true - prove it!
Without talking bs and badmouthing. Real numbers, real video proofs.

You prove the opposite thanx

I can see what my friends at Wikileaks can find out

 

[AlekS]

You prove the opposite thanx

I can see what my friends at Wikileaks can find out

Wikileaks is not a trustable source.
I'm not interested in politicians' letters and their thoughts. I have my own, thanx

No no no, you started this you should prove it. You made a serious statement. Show us the video where they bribed someone, please

 

[A-lister]

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I don't have to prove anything. Let's just say I have my thoughts and opinions, you got yours and let's that be it.

As for us who want EUROvision to include well, EUROpean countries, I think it's a legitimate thought. Obviously people are entitled to their opinion if they want it to become Worldvision or Eurabiavision.

 

[AlekS]

No, you said that as a fact. So prove that or add "imo"

It's not up to people to decide.
You can have any opinion you want but offending whole countries and accusing someone in crime without proofs is not legitimate by all means.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

There are EBU rules. If you disagree - don't play the game and don't complain.
It's not nationalistic song contest. And it's not about who's more European or less.

No, the EBU is under our control as shareholders.

And then what is it about?

 

[A-lister]

Anyways, I already said; I have my opinions and thoughts and I stick to them, don't feel the need to develop on it much further here.

Like i've written million times, my primary opinion against Qatar taking part is that I just don't see it as part of EUROvision for different reasons, and if people really want them in so badly it's up to them.

 

[AlekS]

No, the EBU is under our control as shareholders.

And then what is it about?

So basically you bought EBU like whores?
No.

The song? performance?
If you think it's about politics then don't blame others in political and neighbour voting

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

It works the same in PLC's. The shareholders make the decisions, not the management. And by 'our' I include Ukraine .
As my family's TV license will be used towards the EBU, I expect value for money and a contest we want. United Kingdom takes part in EUROvision for the same reason we did back in the 1950's, we want to to take part in a European music competition. Not one with Arab, African and Asian countries in it.
And still nobody has answered my question... what claim does Qatar have to take part in a European music contest??

 

[AlekS]

It works the same in PLC's. The shareholders make the decisions, not the management. And by 'our' I include Ukraine .
As my family's TV license will be used towards the EBU, I expect value for money and a contest we want. United Kingdom takes part in EUROvision for the same reason we did back in the 1950's, we want to to take part in a European music competition. Not one with Arab, African and Asian countries in it.
And still nobody has answered my question... what claim does Qatar have to take part in a European music contest??

Then stop paying them if you disagree with the service



As for your question. Ask their broadcaster, they know it better than anyone on this forum.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Then stop paying them if you disagree with the service

As I said, we would stop paying and Eurovision would die :|.

And then maybe countries that want a proper European contest can make a new contest =)).

 

[AlekS]

^ I don't think that Eurovision would died. The BBC is mainly sponsored by the country. They would found another source of money.
+ having Qatar would be a nice reason to have controversial talks and high ratings so I doubt that people would stopped paying.
Eurovision is not EU. It has no serious influence. Lebanon fussed with Israel, and? Morocco had a similar attitude.

Also I doubt that someone would care about the new contest. We have already had Eurovoice which flopped royally.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I dont want to argue any more, Im going to stick to my belief that Eurovision is for European countries. I have absolutely no problem if the Middle Eastern countries want Arabvision and I will be more than happy to participate with them in Worldvision!! My problem with them joining Eurovision is that they are not geographically or culturally in Europe so I really have absolutely no idea why they have any case to join...

 

[goktengri]

Adam is right, I think. But my point is that i don't wanna to be against any country which wants to participate :/

And seeing new countries, new cultures But I think I want a worldvision

 

[A-lister]

Adam is right, I think. But my point is that i don't wanna to be against any country which wants to participate :/

And seeing new countries, new cultures But I think I want a worldvision

So then let's Papau Guinea enter Eurovision aswell!

Seriously it's named EUROvision for a reason and there's a history behind it. If someone wants to create Worldvision, fine, would maybe be a cool idea (although countries would have to qualify like in the world cups otherwise it would be too many), but let Eurovision be Eurovision for what it is really.

 

[goktengri]

(although countries would have to qualify like in the world cups otherwise it would be too many),.

yes ! I thought so, too

but nevertheless, i still think that we should let some countries that is closer to Europe at least as much as Israel, ( like Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and even Palestine, also some Northern African countries ) cause it would be unfair if we refused them, although I don't want many of them..

 

[A-lister]

yes ! I thought so, too

but nevertheless, i still think that we should let some countries that is closer to Europe at least as much as Israel, ( like Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and even Palestine, also some Northern African countries ) cause it would be unfair if we refused them, although I don't want many of them..

Why is it unfair? And there's no comparison with Israel really. Israel has entered since the 70's and has a whole other connection, also Israel compete with Europe when it comes to world cups etc, these other countries doesn't.

Those countries could start Arabvision or be included in some Worldvision, now it's about EUROvision though and none of them is European.

Wouldn't it be easier if you started a Worldvision thread here to discuss this? Just a suggestion..

 

[AlekS]

If Papua New Guinea enters European Broadcasting Area - I don't mind


@Adam, according to such logic if Switzerland sends an entry heavily influenced by Arabian culture then it should be treated differently.
Their political situation and their laws is their own business. I'm interested in their music. Nothing will change because of 1 country. And nobody's going to turn Eurovision on Worldvision because it's technically impossible. If their government will agree to integrate themselves into Europe, become more European culturally, I'd gave them a chance.