Oh Come on. I guess that a lot of jury members didn't even get the message of the song. + this could also work the other way around and you could accuse any juror voting Israel down of doing it because of political reasons.
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No hate, but you have no Clue about Mathematics if you call this "pseudostatistical Crap"
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i call it pseudo statistical crap because it is what it is. it has no basis on actual statistics or geopolitics of the vote. please spare me and everyone else of your prejudiced opinions masquerading as fake scientific analysis.
Do you think it has anything to do with Music that Countries like Switzerland always give their 12 Points to Serbia? Do you think it was the will of the Neutral, Nondiasporavoting Swiss People, that Serbia gets those 12 Points nearly every Single year while Countries like Estonia or Lithuania nearly always give 0 Points?
A Hint: Switzerland has around 70K Serbian Inhabitants and Lithuania and Estonia have around 0.
Youre pretty deluded if You think that there was no Diasporavoting.
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assuming the country would give ZERO points to another if there wasn't a minority there or if they weren't neighbours is a fake statistic and renders all your babbling invalid. you don't know how much of that vote is from people who just want to see their home country do well and you can't assume it's all of it. also, if voting for songs they are familiar with is valid for juries as you posted yourself in this thread, why is it not for televotes? stop reaching.
I never said that Diaspora-Adjusted Serbia would have 0 Points. Sure there was enough Kroatians/Slovenians/ etc.. who voted for this. But the Fact that the "neutral" Belarussians/Lithuanians/Estonians etc.. nearly every year have Serbia in their Bottom3, indicates that the neutral Swiss/Italians/Frenchs etc.. would have Serbia at least outside of the Top10. The Sample is big enough to make a Conclusion. And I even doubt the neutral Kroatians/Slovenians/Montenegrinians/Macedonians would have Serbia in their Top2 every single year. Especially not when Serbia is no Topfavourite Like this year. Maybe 4-8 Points are realistic, but thats only a Guess of Course. The Problem is that this votingsystem which gives Points to 10/25 Countries supports Diasporacountries. If we had a System where 15-20/25 Countries got Votes, you would see that Austria scored at least higher than Serbia and probably Lithuania too.
Juries still won't vote for 'a song with political message' if the song is crap
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This song contest is not about selecting the "not crap song". So if the song is not the best (as a song), but still wins thanks to some other factors ... I think its bullshit.
Also political messages are not allowed in ESC, so I think its not correct to say whatever Netta was trying to say carried a "political message".
I don't think Toy carries a political message anyways 
. It's no different to any other 'female-empowering, love yourself, nobody should hurt you' song. And yeah of course they did refer to the #MeToo movement but I think that's hardly a political message.
Toy is really, really something else than, for example, 1944. Ukraine sending a song about Russians invading Crimea in 1944 when the year before Russia invaded Crimea IS a political song.
. It's no different to any other 'female-empowering, love yourself, nobody should hurt you' song. And yeah of course they did refer to the #MeToo movement but I think that's hardly a political message.Toy is really, really something else than, for example, 1944. Ukraine sending a song about Russians invading Crimea in 1944 when the year before Russia invaded Crimea IS a political song.
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1944 was about deportation. Its not the same thing as invasion.
Oh excuse me, I might have been a bit ignorant about this entry then. Ignore my example then.
However, I still think sending a song about Russian repression in Crimea is still political though.
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1. EBU allowed it, so you must think EBU (including the Netherlands) is full of corrupt pieces of shit who only hate Russia.
2. Its a fact that these events happened. No one disputes them, not even Russia. So at this point this song is more about human tragedy really than anything else.
3. It was Soviet Union back then not Russia. So not exactly the same country.
1. I didn't say anything about the EBU being corrupt for accepting this song, only that in my opinion 1944 is a political coloured song. Besides that, there's no need to mention my country, that has nothing to do with it at ALL.
2. Of course it is a song about a human tragedy as it is the topic of the song, but this does not rule it out from being political. Those are not mutually exclusive.
3. Soviet Union can still be Russian.
BUT I was not trying to start an argument about 1944 so I leave it at this.
Not just Russian, it's Soviet
... though singing about deportation is not different than singing about refugees 
or other injustice or terrorism These are humanitarian themes.+ Russia recognized that crime just like everybody else. Denying & censoring that is a crime too.
She wrote that song before the war btw
She recorded the demo while being inspired by the war it still doesn't make it political.She said she was ready to rewrite the song if EBU decided that it abolished the rules.
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Maybe it is easier for you to understand if I ask you this ...
If someone in your country would write a heartbreaking song about the flight MH17 and a couple whose life and dreams died there ... would you see this as a song with a political message?
Because 1944 triggers the same emotions for UKR as this "fake song" would likely trigger for Dutch people ... and Russia can say or think whatever they want (they always do that anyway)
You literally only quoted my "I leave it at this" and went to go on with the discussion
Your hypothetical situation is however not comparable to 1944 though. And please do not even begin to assume you know what emotions Dutch people have regarding the MH17, when you're not Dutch yourself. It is NOT the same. And no, I don't attach any value judgement about either one being "worse".
But really now I'll stop
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Good, because your emotional reply answered my question and explained to you why you should be careful next time when voicing your opinion about things you know nothing about (deportation, Soviet Union, situation in Crimea etc.).
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The Austrian jury gave it 12 points and what I say is based on an interview with an Austrian juror who mentioned that they look at the whole concept. The political message was clear to them. She pointed out that it is a song contest and that the song should be the focus but then acknowledged that it's not just about the song but about the whole concept. It seems Eurovision is a victim of the MeToo movement and virtue signaling juries. They voted against Cyprus because Cyprus sent a woman who was trying to be sexy for men. They rather supported Israel's song performed by an unattractive obese woman bitching about men and clucking like a chicken. How can any professional jury member think something like that deserves third place or even first?
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