We Are One ... English Swedish Family - ESC is dead

[A-lister]

I don't know the EBU rules regarding song writers but there surely are national rules. I think Sweden has some limitations for foreign writers, but I'm not entirly sure. Anyway, it's rather stupid to bashing the writers when it's really the national broadcasters choice.

I'm not bashing the writers, I bash EBU first and foremost for allowing this...

And I "get" why the broadcasters do this, but I think it's weak and selling-out...

 

[wittgenstein]

I'm really into bashing the composers... Especially that blond swedish man with a bad hair day every day of the year. Lets at least give him a hair cut.
What du ya say?

 

[AdelAdel]

Again, don't be ridiculous otherwise it's useless to continue to discuss... because you know very well what I mean and that ESC is not the same as your everyday life...

No, it's you who don't understand. The broadcasters choose what they think people (including juries) would like, and they happen to choose Swedish music because this is what people like the most

 

[A-lister]

No, it's you who don't understand. The broadcasters choose what they think people (including juries) would like, and they happen to choose Swedish music because this is what people like the most

No, they choose what the juries will like to survive in the contest... because they know that if they'd choose with their hearts, the juries would probably kill their chances.

EBU has got this contest exactly where they wanted when they re-introduced the juries... now the broadcasters are following like trained dogs because they see that the ones not following this new paradigm gets punished.

 

[Andreea]

Well, okay, I get your point perfectly.

Here comes another issue of deciding what is national and what is global. I would classify songs written by Swedish composers as "global" and not "Swedish". And global means for everyone.

You didn't understand me. I don't wish that my country (Romania) win Eurovision with a song written by a non-Romanian. It's like Romania would win the 5000 m with a Kenyan naturalized athlete. I appreciate that he wants to represent our country, I also appreciate that Swede composer wants to represent us, but I feel no pride for being a Romanian winning with them. Eurovision is a contest between countries, so each country has to send someone of their own.

 

[LalehForWD]

I'm really into bashing the composers... Especially that blond swedish man with a bad hair day every day of the year. Lets at least give him a hair cut.
What du ya say?

Fniss, I'd say he should pay a little attention to which hairdresser to visit, carefully avoid the one Kempe uses.

 

[wittgenstein]

For me, I wouldn't care if an azeri or romanian singer would win for my country, sweden. I would care though if the song was bad.

But thats just me, and I'm not so fond of the national stat, nationality context in any case.

 

[A-lister]

For me, I wouldn't care if an azeri or romanian singer would win for my country, sweden. I would care though if the song was bad.

But thats just me, and I'm not so fond of the national stat, nationality context in any case.

Well, then are you willing to stop ESC then? To have open auditions all over Europe like some sort of "European Idol" and not have countries competing any longer?

Maybe that's where we're heading... "We are one" afterall ....

 

[wittgenstein]

Fniss, I'd say he should pay a little attention to which hairdresser to visit, carefully avoid the one Kempe uses.

The problem is he does'nt have a hair dresser. His hair just gets fizzy until it finally breaks at the end of each straw...

 

[LalehForWD]

Well, then are you willing to stop ESC then? To have open auditions all over Europe like some sort of "European Idol" and not have countries competing any longer?

Maybe that's where we're heading... "We are one" afterall ....

No but there is something stale about the nationalistic approach you're advocating. You can cheer and compete without these feelings. We're doing it in sports since forever.

 

[wittgenstein]

Well, then are you willing to stop ESC then? To have open auditions all over Europe like some sort of "European Idol" and not have countries competing any longer?

Maybe that's where we're heading... "We are one" afterall ....

Well it would not be the end of esc, it would just be different. And I do accept that things are changing. Its a natural law. The only thing I could change is my feelings towards this, philisopically speaking. And as long as I dont live in a facist country or similar this is the best I could do.

 

[A-lister]

No but there is something stale about the nationalistic approach you're advocating. You can cheer and compete without these feelings. We're doing it in sports since forever.

I'm not a blind nationalist, you can't find me anywhere on this forum rooting for entries just based on the countries but regardless of their songs.

However, I respect national diversity and for me ESC was a musical platform out of the norm there, which is probably why it has survived for this long and is the biggest annual music show there is, mostly because of its very concept with countries competing.

I mean it seems as if people forgot the very main concept of this contest which makes it differ from the rest... it's a unique contest in a sense.

I will always be a firm supporter of liberal nationalism, for me ESC was always an open platform to get-to-know Europe better in a nice fashion and not some awful blind nationalism.

 

[A-lister]

Well it would not be the end of esc, it would just be different. And I do accept that things are changing. Its a natural law. The only thing I could change is my feelings towards this, philisopically speaking. And as long as I dont live in a facist country or similar this is the best I could do.

Of course it would be the end of ESC because the very concept of ESC relies on entries representing their countries...

 

[wittgenstein]

So, if some pre-conditions you we're used to in your life changed. You would consider your life at the end?

 

[Steffan]

The point of Eurovision is to be entertaining... Is it entertaining now? Yes... I don't see a problem...

 

[Fluffy]

Well it would not be the end of esc, it would just be different. And I do accept that things are changing. Its a natural law. The only thing I could change is my feelings towards this, philisopically speaking. And as long as I dont live in a facist country or similar this is the best I could do.

Is it really changing that much? I know that for decades countries have had artists from other countries, like Swedish Siv Malmkvist for West Germany in Madrid 1969. Haven't it been the same with songwriters?
I don't see the problem. I doubt that the crappy quality will improve by banning foreign songwriters in the national selections, and they would problably not sound that different either. Most songs are tweaked by the artist and his/her taste.

 

[LalehForWD]

I'm not a blind nationalist, you can't find me anywhere on this forum rooting for entries just based on the countries but regardless of their songs.

However, I respect national diversity and for me ESC was a musical platform out of the norm there, which is probably why it has survived for this long and is the biggest annual music show there is, mostly because of its very concept with countries competing.

I mean it seems as if people forgot the very main concept of this contest which makes it differ from the rest... it's a unique contest in a sense.

I will always be a firm supporter of liberal nationalism, for me ESC was always an open platform to get-to-know Europe better in a nice fashion and not some awful blind nationalism.

Well, there you go finally, although I'm not entirely sure what liberal nationalism is. I'd say any form of nationalism is utterly wrong in these circumstances. It should be about exchanging music and artistic expressions and absolutely not about some show off or demonstration.

 

[wittgenstein]

Is it really changing that much? I know that for decades countries have had artists from other countries, like Swedish Siv Malmkvist for West Germany in Madrid 1969. Haven't it been the same with songwriters?
I don't see the problem. I doubt that the crappy quality will improve by banning foreign songwriters in the national selections, and they would problably not sound that different either. Most songs are tweaked by the artist and his/her taste.

It is changing and it always has. And for me its a good thing. Read my quote more firmly.

 

[wittgenstein]

This is very intersting. I thought actually that liberal nationalism was not possible to intertwine. Although it depends of course on how u interpret each phenomen.

 

[Fluffy]

Of course it would be the end of ESC because the very concept of ESC relies on entries representing their countries...

And that representation should be genetic, or what? Where do you draw the line?
Some years ago, Andorra was represented by a Danish woman who had married a dude from Andorra. If I remember correctly, she was one of the composers. Was that ok?