We Are One ... English Swedish Family - ESC is dead

[A-lister]

No, my interpretation is - any country can send anything they feel like as long as it is in accordance with the written rules of ESC.

Oh so you don't care about the concept at all then?

The main point is entries representing their countries, now you can try to overlook that as much as you want, but that's the main concept of ESC and also within those rules you know.

I guess the only solution is EBU re-write the rules to actually underline the concept even further... I mean it IS ridiculous that somehow imported products from Sweden unrelated to the countries can somehow be regarded as "entries representing the countries"... don't pretend otherwise (regardless of the rules).

 

[Andreea]

@A-listener: what do you have with Armenia and Romania? After years of being robbed by political votes, Romanians have all the right to send a joke and troll hard this year! Btw, Cezar won the televote but was only 4th according to Romanian jury, so it was Romanians desire to send this crap! this crap is good for Europe, because it doesn't matter what we are sending, most will not vote for us (especially Scandinavian countries) Only Romanian diaspora vote for us, that's why we always receive points from Spain, Italy, Israel or moldova.

 

[A-lister]

@A-listener: what do you have with Armenia and Romania? After years of being robbed by political votes, Romanians have all the right to send a joke and troll hard this year!

Romania robbed? Aren't you usually qualifying? That's more than can be said about others... you're no Bulgaria afterall so please don't act like Turkey and complain when you still have a large diaspora helping you out most years...

I had Romania 2012 in my top. 3 and I think you deserved better that year, but with this joke entry?

My point is that juries are non-professionals that obviously doesn't prevent diaspora voting when they should do, instead they seem to help out... otherwise why is Armenia in the final now with the worst and probably most boring entry in this year? Atleast Romania's qualification wasn't such a surprise since it stands out (in a bad way but still).

 

[cegs5]

Romania robbed? Aren't you usually qualifying? That's more than can be said about others... you're no Bulgaria afterall so please don't act like Turkey and complain when you still have a large diaspora helping you out most years...

I had Romania 2012 in my top. 3 and I think you deserved better that year, but with this joke entry?

My point is that juries are non-professionals that obviously doesn't prevent diaspora voting when they should do, instead they seem to help out... otherwise why is Armenia in the final now with the worst and probably most boring entry in this year? Atleast Romania's qualification wasn't such a surprise since it stands out (in a bad way but still).

Maybe because many many people think in different way than you and not only diaspora...because I would ask you, where was that diaspora when Armenia was eliminated in 2011?

 

[AdelAdel]

Oh so you don't care about the concept at all then?

The main point is entries representing their countries, now you can try to overlook that as much as you want, but that's the main concept of ESC and also within those rules you know.

I guess the only solution is EBU re-write the rules to actually underline the concept even further... I mean it IS ridiculous that somehow imported products from Sweden unrelated to the countries can somehow be regarded as "entries representing the countries"... don't pretend otherwise (regardless of the rules).

Yes, Swedish music can represent anything if the country agrees, why the heck not? We're in 21st century, we're not limited like we were before, of course there's gonna be influence coming from other nations. It's a natural thing to happen.

The same goes for football teams and other means of representing a country.

 

[A-lister]

Maybe because many many people think in different way than you and not only diaspora...because I would ask you, where was that diaspora when Armenia was eliminated in 2011?

Oh yeah, suddenly Europeans would like dated boring rock... how come they never do otherwise?

Maybe because the juries actually did their job then?

 

[A-lister]

Yes, Swedish music can represent anything if the country agrees, why the heck not? We're in 21st century, we're not limited like we were before, of course there's gonna be influence coming from other nations. It's a natural thing to happen.

The same goes for football teams and other means of representing a country.

But it's not representing them, otherwise you'd see their local acts doing that stuff on a daily basis but they're not... so your argument fails on itself.

If that was the case, then I could get it, but it's not.

 

[Andreea]

Maybe because many many people think in different way than you and not only diaspora...because I would ask you, where was that diaspora when Armenia was eliminated in 2011?

You are right. People have different taste.

 

[AdelAdel]

But it's not representing them, otherwise you'd see their local acts doing that stuff on a daily basis but they're not... so your argument fails on itself.

If that was the case, then I could get it, but it's not.

Music written by Swedes is a common thing in the music industry nowadays.

I'm guessing that you have to be also against foreign brands selling their products in different countries and people buying them 3 Tell me, A-lister, do you buy products which aren't Swedish?

 

[Fluffy]

Why are so many people exaggerating the importance of Scandinavian block? It is 4 (5 if you include Iceland, which you shouldn’t) countries (out of how many?) = few votes. They also lack a shitload of emigrants that vote for their home-scandinavian-country, like so many other countries have.

All of the participant countries tend to vote for the same countries to a large extent, year after year. The winner is never the one with the highest number of friendly neighbors or the largest number of emigrants, but the song that gets points from the largest number of countries (therefore it is really the low points that makes a difference in the end, since the high points always goes to the same countries, from the same countries). Look at the results. Finland, Serbia, Azerbaijan, Norway, Greece and Germany – can you really see a pattern in these winners?

 

[A-lister]

Music written by Swedes is a common thing in the music industry nowadays.

I'm guessing that you have to be also against foreign brands selling their products in different countries and people buying them 3 Tell me, A-lister, do you buy products which aren't Swedish?

Yes, but not by Georgian or Russian acts?...

And I have to remind you that most of these Swedish writers in ESC have no luck in the actually contemporary pop music scene, they are just involved in MF/ESC.

Being a Swede I don't want to watch ESC with only Swedish products, where's the point in that? I can turn on the radio then and get far BETTER and more up-to-date Swedish material then...

 

[AdelAdel]

Being a Swede I don't want to watch ESC with only Swedish products, where's the point in that? I can turn on the radio then and get far BETTER and more up-to-date Swedish material then...

I meant that since you're oh so promoting the "national and cultural heritage" thing, then you, living in Sweden, probably shouldn't buy anything which isn't Swedish. I meant general stuff, not music. Would you buy a TV made in Japan? You would? :shock: Oh... but that's not national and it doesn't represent Sweden! Yup, you should boycott all TVs from Japan xsnooty 3

 

[Andreea]

Yes, Swedish music can represent anything if the country agrees, why the heck not?.

It can but we should not send foreign music to represent us There were many foreigners (including Swedes) composers who participated to our national selections, but I prefer that my country send a Romanian composer and an Romanian artist to represent us, not a foreigner. I don't mind if the song is a crap, as long is a Romanian crap

 

[A-lister]

I meant that since you're oh so promoting the "national and cultural heritage" thing, then you, living in Sweden, probably shouldn't buy anything which isn't Swedish. I meant general stuff, not music. Would you buy a TV made in Japan? You would? :shock: Oh... but that's not national and it doesn't represent Sweden! Yup, you should boycott all TVs from Japan xsnooty 3

Don't be ridiculous now... we're talking about ESC...

 

[A-lister]

It can but we should not send foreign music to represent us There were many foreigners (including Swedes) composers who participated to our national selections, but I prefer that my country send a Romanian composer and an Romanian artist to represent us, not a foreigner.

Well said, that's the Eurovision spirit!

 

[AdelAdel]

It can but we should not send foreign music to represent us There were many foreigners (including Swedes) composers who participated to our national selections, but I prefer that my country send a Romanian composer and an Romanian artist to represent us, not a foreigner.

Well, okay, I get your point perfectly.

Here comes another issue of deciding what is national and what is global. I would classify songs written by Swedish composers as "global" and not "Swedish". And global means for everyone.

 

[AdelAdel]

Don't be ridiculous now... we're talking about ESC...

But it follows the same logic. People tend to buy what is the best and what is national. If people think that Japanese TVs are better than any other, then they will buy them. If people think that music composed by Swedes is better than any other, then they will listen to it.

 

[A-lister]

Well, okay, I get your point perfectly.

Here comes another issue of deciding what is national and what is global. I would classify songs written by Swedish composers as "global" and not "Swedish". And global means for everyone.

Not if they're unattached to the countries...

Most of the Russian music scene are songs in Russian made by Russians... so there a Swedish product is not connected to their OWN scene, just the music they play from other countries.

And again, shouldn't ESC be entries representing the countries and not the global scene? Shouldn't it be a demonstration of what the Russians, Georgians etc. produce themselves usually?

 

[A-lister]

But it follows the same logic. People tend to buy what is the best and what is national. If people think that Japanese TVs are better than any other, then they will buy them. If people think that music composed by Swedes is better than any other, then they will listen to it.

Again, don't be ridiculous otherwise it's useless to continue to discuss... because you know very well what I mean and that ESC is not the same as your everyday life...

 

[LalehForWD]

I don't know the EBU rules regarding song writers but there surely are national rules. I think Sweden has some limitations for foreign writers, but I'm not entirly sure. Anyway, it's rather stupid to bashing the writers when it's really the national broadcasters choice.