We Are One ... English Swedish Family - ESC is dead

[CC92]

The countries where ESC is most popular are mainly Scandinavia and Germany, and they have more or less similar music scenes.

Off-topic but eh... what?

 

[A-lister]

What would a good result of this semi have looked like according to you A-lister? Tell me the right 10 songs so I can understand your point.

That's highly subjective of course, but atleast it wouldn't consist of the worst song of this whole year (Armenia) and the big joke (Romania).

My point is not really that MY favs didn't make it, but that ESC is turning into fest for English songs which are all sounding and looking the same more or less... originality, national diversity, cultural diversity, native languages struggle...

 

[A-lister]

Okay, I do get your point, A-lister, and I can even agree with you in some of the cases.

But still, I think that what we have right now is fine and doesn't need a desperate change

We don't need a "desperate change", we need either juries who are having clear guidelines to respect the purpose of the contest and to vote for songs rather than just vocal-gymnastics...

or we could simply go back to 100% televoting...

and oh yeah some actual transparency!

That's hardly revolutionary changes...

 

[Dessi]

A-lister: So instead of Romania and Armenia you would have wanted.... Who?

 

[AdelAdel]

We don't need a "desperate change", we need either juries who are having clear guidelines to respect the purpose of the contest and to vote for songs rather than just vocal-gymnastics...

or we could simply go back to 100% televoting...

and oh yeah some actual transparency!

That's hardly revolutionary changes...

So are you suggesting that the juries vote for songs in contrast with their preferences just to "respect the purpose of the contest"?

 

[A-lister]

So are you suggesting that the juries vote for songs in contrast with their preferences just to "respect the purpose of the contest"?

I mean if you're a jury in ESC the least one could expect is to atleast for them to understand the point of the contest right? Is that too much to ask for?

 

[A-lister]

A-lister: So instead of Romania and Armenia you would have wanted.... Who?

Actually, that's not the relevant thing here, eventhough some might think this thread is based on "my taste" that's not really the point of it.

 

[AdelAdel]

I mean if you're a jury in ESC the least one could expect is to atleast for them to understand the point of the contest right? Is that too much to ask for?

No... there's no rule that there must be guaranteed places for songs in native languages, sorry. Nobody should be forced to vote for something they don't think is worthy the final.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

You have a romantic view of the past I think, A-lister... Eurovision's always been like this

 

[Dessi]

Actually, that's not the relevant thing here, eventhough some might think this thread is based on "my taste" that's not really the point of it.

I get that A-lister, but I still would like to know what two song would have been the right ones according to you and your arguments instead of Armenia and Romania.

 

[A-lister]

No... there's no rule that there must be guaranteed places for songs in native languages, sorry. Nobody should be forced to vote for something they don't think is worthy the final.

I don't think you even read my whole posts, because you didn't get my point...

 

[A-lister]

You have a romantic view of the past I think, A-lister... Eurovision's always been like this

Yes, it's always been like this when juries were deciding, atleast between 2004-2009 national diversity was celebrated and the contest actually became alive again.... now it's all back to "normal"... dated, cheesy and with an obvious pro-English/anti-national biasism.

 

[A-lister]

I get that A-lister, but I still would like to know what two song would have been the right ones according to you and your arguments instead of Armenia and Romania.

Well, atleast Israel should be there instead of one of those. That's for sure.

 

[GWTW1939]

Swedish Eurovision songwriters, composers and producers produce the MOST western generic and unimaginative songs that for some reason appeal to the fanboys and jury, they achieve success so it really isn't surprising that other countries want to keep using them. But they fit in Eurovision and nowhere else. Funny how dated like San Marino or Netherlands get huge hype yet modern/current Montenegro and Slovenia get dismissed. Not saying you have to like those songs but the dismissive attitude (oh dubstep at Eurovision how gimmicky xsnooty:roll is crazy and a reason why no one takes Eurovision seriously.

Its funny how at Melodifestivalen (and to an extent Eurovision) any song that sounds radio friendly and current never really get to the final. That's why you always get Kempe or Gson and never Max Martin or even Kleerup or Shellback.

It really has to change but I doubt it ever will anytime soon.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Yes, it's always been like this when juries were deciding, atleast between 2004-2009 national diversity was celebrated and the contest actually became alive again.... now it's all back to "normal"... dated, cheesy and with an obvious pro-English biasism.

2004-2008 were the dead years. There's been much improvement since the juries have been knocked out, including a reduction in corrupt voting.
But even in your "glory" years, I cant remember many songs which fit into the category that you love - non Swedish or English.

 

[A-lister]

2004-2008 were the dead years. There's been much improvement since the juries have been knocked out, including a reduction in corrupt voting.
But even in your "glory" years, I cant remember many songs which fit into the category that you love - non Swedish or English.

I hope you DO realize that those were the years where ESC became popular again after some actual dead century? It was also more diverse musically than now.

It's not just a language issue, which I've stated plenty of times already.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I hope you DO realize that those were the years where ESC became popular again after some actual dead century? It was also more diverse musically than now.

It's not just a language issue, which I've stated plenty of times already.

No, you're incredibly mistaken. It's reputation was f*cked 10 times over in those years - it's reputation has been completely restored since the introduction of the juries. And I am incredibly thankful for them for that!

 

[QwaarJet]

Well there's no point now is it? ESC has totally lost its purpose... it has become a contest for Swedish writers to send their mediocre MF rejects... so much for "diversity" ? ...

I have no words, the worst qualifiers since the introduction of semis... even in a weak year.

Things are bad when I fully agree with A-Lister. Easily the worst semi-final in history.

 

[Dessi]

Well, atleast Israel should be there instead of one of those. That's for sure.

But the only thing the song from Israel has (out of your four arguments) is "the native language". Other than that it sounds just like a song that easily could have been in the Melodifestivalen - an imported Swedish song, a schlager ballad.

 

[A-lister]

No, you're incredibly mistaken. It's reputation was f*cked 10 times over in those years - it's reputation has been completely restored since the introduction of the juries. And I am incredibly thankful for them for that!

Viewing numbers speaks for themselves...

You're just happy you have a jury now that give an unfair bias for songs in English and the "sound" of USA/Sweden/UK (although dated of course!).