We Are One ... English Swedish Family - ESC is dead

[A-lister]

I love it how you're going crazy that only 2 songs in a foreign language failed to qualify. yet just a few months ago you were using the fact that 6 out of the top ten song of last year were in a foreign language to defend your arguments.

That's true, I guess 2012 was this odd exception because looking at the rest of the years with juries back it's all the same... oh and it's hardly not just the language issue, it's the fact that songs are not even connected musically to their countries what-so-ever...

 

[Quent91]

Romanian castrate made it to the final

What ? Cezar is a testicleless guy ?

 

[DanielLuis]

that's the only thing u noticed? really?

The only 3 western countries that failed to qualify where Austria, Switzerland and San Marino? That all Scandinavia qualified for the first time in 5 years?
Or the fact that almost all USSR countries qualified?

 

[DanielLuis]

That's true, I guess 2012 was this odd exception because looking at the rest of the years with juries back it's all the same... oh and it's hardly not just the language issue, it's the fact that songs are not even connected musically to their countries what-so-ever...

Indeed. I dont think its the languange thing.

 

[AdelAdel]

What are you fine with?

That in the first year that we actually had a quite large amount of native language entries that almost non made it through to the finals?

That the only countries that can even qualify with sending something connected to their own music culture are the ones with massive diaspora, otherwise they're out.

That the contest is filled with imported entries that has no connection to the countries, even if the whole concept is that the entries should represent their countries?

What exactly good has these so called "experts" been bringing to the contest other than some Anglo-cultural imperialism driven by Swedish songwriters mostly. Oh... and it's not even music that is connected to the music of today even... so we're stuck in this dated limbo now... funny how ESC becomes dated and non-diverse when juries are brought back.

Iceland and Hungary have "massive diaspora"? Where?

You seem to forget why were juries re-introduced in the first place...

 

[A-lister]

Indeed. I dont think its the languange thing.

Oh and I never said that was the only issue here, you are free to re-read my posts...

 

[A-lister]

Iceland and Hungary have "massive diaspora"? Where?

You seem to forget why were juries re-introduced in the first place...

Hungary is a diaspora country yes... but I don't see those qualifications as the main issue here as they were actually pretty much what ESC should be about... songs in native languages, one with a modern and in the context "original" flow (Hungary) and the other with ethnic-motives (Iceland)...

But 2/10 are hardly a great record...

 

[LakZaNokte]

The only 3 western countries that failed to qualify where Austria, Switzerland and San Marino? That all Scandinavia qualified for the first time in 5 years?
Or the fact that almost all USSR countries qualified?

now u're going in the right direction

 

[AdelAdel]

Hungary is a diaspora country yes... but I don't see those qualifications as the main issue here as they were actually pretty much what ESC should be about... songs in native languages, one with a modern and in the context "original" flow (Hungary) and the other with ethnic-motives (Iceland)...

But 2/10 are hardly a great record...

So you're arguing with the rules about singing in whatever language. The juries are not the problem, the main thing should be re-introducing the "only official language" rule. But you know that this won't happen

 

[A-lister]

So you're arguing with the rules about singing in whatever language. The juries are not the problem, the main thing should be re-introducing the "only official language" rule. But you know that this won't happen

No, that's not the main issue, it's one of many issues.

- The fact that juries seem to not step in to help entries sung in native languages.
- The fact that the juries kill all entries that have national cultural influences.
- The fact that that entries doesn't even have to be products of their own countries, but can be imported from Sweden.
- The fact that it's turning into a contest where originality aswell as cultural motives are overthrown by non-diversity and American/Swedish culturalism.

If the juries would be "experts", they should have atleast single respect for the concept of the contest... but they don't, since they were brought back we see all of those "bad" things growing and its proven year by year that diaspora voting is not prevented by the juries, even when entries are obviously crappy (like the Armenian one).

 

[Galandar]

You are right, there is no need in juries. It just needs to have '1 PHONE 1 VOTE' system and that is it!

 

[AdelAdel]

@A-lister, okay, but why do you think the juries don't support songs with national influences? Maybe because ESC has reached a new stage And why do you think the music companies ask Swedish song-writers to do the job? Maybe because they know that people like these the most?

I do agree that all countries are capable to produce good music, but also remember the fact that ESC is not considered a serious festival in many countries. The countries where ESC is most popular are mainly Scandinavia and Germany, and they have more or less similar music scenes.

 

[Quent91]

I still think the juries can stay in the contest, because the results are still better than the ones from 2007 or 2008

 

[A-lister]

You are right, there is no need in juries. It just needs to have '1 PHONE 1 VOTE' system and that is it!

Totally agree, but EBU won't allow it because they'll lose money

 

[A-lister]

I still think the juries can stay in the contest, because the results are still better than the ones from 2007 or 2008

Oh really? I'm not sure about that... I think this semi (semi 2 - 2013) has the worst result of a semi ever since the introduction of semis.

 

[A-lister]

@A-lister, okay, but why do you think the juries don't support songs with national influences? Maybe because ESC has reached a new stage And why do you think the music companies ask Swedish song-writers to do the job? Maybe because they know that people like these the most?

I do agree that all countries are capable to produce good music, but also remember the fact that ESC is not considered a serious festival in many countries. The countries where ESC is most popular are mainly Scandinavia and Germany, and they have more or less similar music scenes.

Really, so Europe suddenly just stopped liking their own musical traditions when ESC switched from 100% televoting to 50% juries... you really believe this?

Swedish songwriters, composers and producers are generally successful, but the entries you get in ESC are not connected to that...

Countries choose to cater to the juries, afterall these people have 50% say and they can make it or break it for a country and to me it's pretty obvious they have an agenda to transform this contest from national diversity - to a homogeneity.

 

[Quent91]

Oh really? I'm not sure about that... I think this semi (semi 2 - 2013) has the worst result of a semi ever since the introduction of semis.

But I think the only results that really count are from the grand final...

 

[Dessi]

I think this semi (semi 2 - 2013) has the worst result of a semi ever since the introduction of semis.

What would a good result of this semi have looked like according to you A-lister? Tell me the right 10 songs so I can understand your point.

 

[AdelAdel]

Okay, I do get your point, A-lister, and I can even agree with you in some of the cases.

But still, I think that what we have right now is fine and doesn't need a desperate change

 

[A-lister]

But I think the only results that really count are from the grand final...

Say that to all the better entries that were left behind and leave us with a bland final with a higher chance for bad songs to even win...