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  • 12

    62 29.2%
  • 10

    16 7.5%
  • 8

    23 10.8%
  • 7

    26 12.3%
  • 6

    13 6.1%
  • 5

    15 7.1%
  • 4

    13 6.1%
  • 3

    8 3.8%
  • 2

    7 3.3%
  • 1

    10 4.7%
  • 0

    19 9.0%

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lavieenrose

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

I get really territorial and patriotic about country music. Not even sure why - I do concede that there are meatheaded American idiots doing far more damage to the genre than well-intentioned European imposters who think southern accents make them sound "artsy." Maybe it’s just that it’s one of the few things I get to say are “my country’s culture.” What else do we have besides it? Corn? Anyway, I digress. :nl: 2014's travesty of country pisses me off, and when I heard Waylon was going to Eurovision again, I realized that I was going to have to spend a full Eurovision season qualifying "this is going to be my worst entry of the year" with "except Waylon." When Germany came out with their entry, it was really difficult for me to say "this is going to be my worst entry of the year, and yes, that does include Waylon." My heart sank as I tried to gird myself for another round of miserabilism in country burlesque when Waylon has spent roughly zero seconds living the life that makes the misery of country something I feel passion and sympathy for.

What I got instead was different. And worse. But mostly different.

When I first heard “Donkey” by Jerrod Niemann, a smash country hit in recent years, my first response was “oh no, this must be how we’re perceived abroad.” And what I got from Waylon was vindication. In order to make himself look and sound “authentic” this time around, he’s not trying to imitate Glen Campbell, Johnny Cash, Gene Autry, and all the other great musical minds of bygone decades (that my grandfather, who grew up on a farm in Iowa, raised me on, lest you understandably point out that being from a city in :cali: makes me an imposter myself). Instead, he’s looked to a new generation of country artists whose world revolves around partying, getting drunk & enjoying it, driving like driving makes you special, and- well, actually, there isn’t the stupid sexualization there is in a lot of bro-country. I’ll give him that. Good for you, Waylon. This is not a sound that works for him. I don’t believe for a damn second that he has “a little outlaw in” him. But this stuff is tripe even in the hands of people who can pull it off. It’s the kind of unlistenable dreck that makes me weep for the state of country music. There’s no pain, no pathos, nothing to make me care about the artists involved. But I guess "no pathos" is what country is now, since that's the sound the unconvincing imitators are going to.

Go ahead. Screw it up. I’m not going to the mat for the “cultural integrity of country music,” or whatever, if this is the state it’s in.

(0, by the way, and I have some thinking to do about whether it goes to the bottom of my list or just close.)

tl;dr *throws rotten tomato*
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

[MENTION=14007]lavieenrose[/MENTION]


What a lovely video. Two of your biggest musical heroes performing with Waylon.
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

[MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION] aww, I love those episodes of X-Factor, etc. where they have the unknowns perform with their idols. How sweet.
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

(0, by the way, and I have some thinking to do about whether it goes to the bottom of my list or just close.)

tl;dr *throws rotten tomato*

A 0% on Rotten Tomatoes kinda tea xclap
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

Your post [MENTION=14007]lavieenrose[/MENTION] reminds me of the time Britney Spears stole my accent.


In all seriousness though, I completely understand your feelings and where you're coming from here. My love for country music is nowhere near your level, but I grew up with it thanks to a country obsessed mother who wouldn't stop playing Patsy Cline 24/7. I respect the genre a lot, and love delving in and reading about it's heroes, their hardships and such. It is specifically an American thing. It is yours. It's roots music. I understand having heroes but imitating a strong southern accent when you're not from such a place kind of perplexes me. Country music to me is the most organic, raw and natural form of music you can find. Playing instruments is different, but what comes out of your mouth I think kind of matters as it's your truth. I like reggae music but I don't think i'd want to adopt a Jamaican accent when i'm singing. The whole thing to me feels like dress up. Pretty hardcore dress up though as this is obviously who Waylon is now.

I don't dislike the song as much as you and actually found it to be a smidgen better than I was expecting, but I can totally get your reaction. You'll have to forgive me for that Emmylou, Dolly and Waylon find. I did find it kind of sweet though, bless.
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

I'm glad they chose this one since it was one of the songs (or maybe the only) that left an impression on me after the 1st listen! Great vocals, his accent doesn't bother me in this song as much as it did on some others but I understand why this could be a big turn-off. This will stand out a lot mainly because of Waylon himself and I think it's qualifying.

7 points in the poll ;)

P.s. And people said this year would be boring and full of ballads :lol: so far it's the most diverse year I can remember recently. I think Salvador's biggest impact was in the use of national languages and more diverse and risky styles of songs imo
 

kamc

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

Not my cup of tea but I am appreciating the mixture of styles this year....it is shaping up to be more diverse compared to most years!
 

joancamo

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

10 points for me, it it were Thanks but no thanks it would be 12
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

Really wanted to like this, but this is really not the type of country music I like. I find this painful to listen to sadly.
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon - Outlaw In Em

I get really territorial and patriotic about country music. Not even sure why - I do concede that there are meatheaded American idiots doing far more damage to the genre than well-intentioned European imposters who think southern accents make them sound "artsy." Maybe it’s just that it’s one of the few things I get to say are “my country’s culture.” What else do we have besides it? Corn? Anyway, I digress. :nl: 2014's travesty of country pisses me off, and when I heard Waylon was going to Eurovision again, I realized that I was going to have to spend a full Eurovision season qualifying "this is going to be my worst entry of the year" with "except Waylon." When Germany came out with their entry, it was really difficult for me to say "this is going to be my worst entry of the year, and yes, that does include Waylon." My heart sank as I tried to gird myself for another round of miserabilism in country burlesque when Waylon has spent roughly zero seconds living the life that makes the misery of country something I feel passion and sympathy for.

What I got instead was different. And worse. But mostly different.

When I first heard “Donkey” by Jerrod Niemann, a smash country hit in recent years, my first response was “oh no, this must be how we’re perceived abroad.” And what I got from Waylon was vindication. In order to make himself look and sound “authentic” this time around, he’s not trying to imitate Glen Campbell, Johnny Cash, Gene Autry, and all the other great musical minds of bygone decades (that my grandfather, who grew up on a farm in Iowa, raised me on, lest you understandably point out that being from a city in :cali: makes me an imposter myself). Instead, he’s looked to a new generation of country artists whose world revolves around partying, getting drunk & enjoying it, driving like driving makes you special, and- well, actually, there isn’t the stupid sexualization there is in a lot of bro-country. I’ll give him that. Good for you, Waylon. This is not a sound that works for him. I don’t believe for a damn second that he has “a little outlaw in” him. But this stuff is tripe even in the hands of people who can pull it off. It’s the kind of unlistenable dreck that makes me weep for the state of country music. There’s no pain, no pathos, nothing to make me care about the artists involved. But I guess "no pathos" is what country is now, since that's the sound the unconvincing imitators are going to.

Go ahead. Screw it up. I’m not going to the mat for the “cultural integrity of country music,” or whatever, if this is the state it’s in.

(0, by the way, and I have some thinking to do about whether it goes to the bottom of my list or just close.)

tl;dr *throws rotten tomato*

A beautifully-written post.

My thoughts exactly.
 

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I didn't follow the Dutch selection or listen to the chosen song, but as many comments mention the word "country", where are the people who made fun of some of us by implying: "you're delusional if you think Waylon is going to sing a country song in Lisbon"...

The joke's on you it seems.

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Shade but no shade: I'd like the Netherlands to depart from their genre of preference one day, but I'm not holding my breath anymore. It doesn't mean I won't like "Outlaw In 'Em" when I have time to listen to it, it simply is boring to expect and be given roughly the same thing every year. You DO have other options guys, take a risk.
 

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Among the numerous country entries from 'Em Netherlands this may very well be the best one. This is how I imagine The Soggy Bottom Boys would have sounded in the 21st century (if you get that reference).

While the whole country thing is getting out of hand for 'Em Netherlands, I won't hold it against them this time around. It's good and different enough for me to not give a "daym".
 

darkap

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Not my cup of tea and almost nothing in common with the 2014 entry by Common ( :p ) Linnets. A good OST for a Tv Series
But I appreciate the mix genre this Eurovision is bringing on
 

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The title is a bit weird. I had to read the lyrics before I understood what he wanted to say.
 

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I admit - I am biased when it comes to Country Music, definitely usually NOT my cup of tea. I connect it to American patriotism. But when I listened to this song, I was just surprised that I even liked it. Me and Country??? But the reason I like this song is that it's a mixture of Country and Hard Rock (and I have a weakness for 80's Hard and Heavy Rock :D). I really like this song and I am not ashamed to admit it. Hope it makes a good way through ESC!
 

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Re: THE NETHERLANDS 2018 - Waylon

It's gonna be 'Outlaw In'em', already calling it. I know this because of several reasons.

1. It's my least favorite and the Waylon I know always chooses the song I like the least.
2. It stands out most and receives the most positive feedback (I honestly believe he has not chosen a song yet but just throws something against the wall to see what will stick).
3. It distances itself the most from CATS out of any of the songs, knowing Waylon, he is very set to show Europe he is not the backing vocal guy of the Common Linnets.

Unless he surprises us all with his final song, I'm already considering this our (in my opinion mediocre) entry.

Caaaaaalled it!

Anyway, I'm really surprised to see so many positive reactions and so many people gravitating to this song. I mean let's face it, we are definitely not going to win this year, I would already be happy to make it to the final. Yet if so many people seem to like it why not shoot for top 10 again. I'm not a fan of this song, but it's always nice to see your country doing well.

Although I do not get the hype the song is receiving, I also strongly disagree with people disliking it just because he 'puts up an accent' or is 'wrongly imitating country music'. It almost feels like you HAVE to be from the U.S.A. to do country, and if your not you are culturally appropriating the genre or something. If that is the case, than we can better also ban Rap and Hip-hop from Eurovision, as only African Americans should have that sole right.

I do understand why some people dislike it though. To me, Waylon is also way to produced and insincere to fully enjoy him as an artist. If that is your reason, I totally agree. But some people go a step further and dislike it just because he should not perform country because it's not 'his genre'. With this way of thinking, I would strongly disagree, I mean we are supposed to celebrate diversity.

All things aside, I do hope we step off the country train a bit after this year, but I also would not like to see another 'Trijntje Oosterhuis'. Just something refreshing from us that is not country.
 
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