Sweden gives Eurovision a "refugee crisis" theme

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: Sweden gives Eurovision a "refugee crisis theme"

If you educate refugees the way you educate Europeans, they can be a European too. But some of them will of course insist to spread their narrow minded pressures around. Then you can just kick them out and you can then have a clear conscience. If people don't feel even a little sadness in their hearts for innocent people, then I must say that they are as dangerous as anyone else.

We have 500 million Europeans already - why do we need to be training more, let alone stealing other country's citizens? By stealing their young men, you are robbing them of their future soldiers to fight for the values of the Arab Spring. You are robbing them of their future workers to transform a poverty-striken land into one of enterprise and prosperity. You are robbing them of their future fathers who should be at home teaching their kids "look how successful the West is, let's do that here" rather than "look how successful the West is, let's go there".


Oh and btw I've never owned a rainbow flag and I've been to just one Pride and absolutely hated it. I've been a victim of discrimination but you deal with that shit and don't make a martyr out of yourself. Don't expect me to not say what I think or make "offensive" jokes, but I can promise you that I am far less judgemental of people regardless of who/what they are than any politically-correct type I know (I mean, just look at some of the comments of the pro-migrant people here, basically calling people like me uncivilized monkeys simply because we have a different viewpoint). But my pleasantness is on condition that they respect me and my country - I don't respect British people who treat this country like shit so why should I respect foreigners who do? And there is no "humanitarian crisis" when people voluntarily put themselves in a situation.

All the evidence points to the fact that the majority of Europeans agree with me too. And we do not appreciate being lectured by millionaires and celebrities who don't have to ever live with the consequences of this illegal immigration, not least during our favourite television show of the year.

As I've always said, Eurovision is not a political event - it being Olympicised with all the flags and that is great and non-political - but sending these songs about past historical events and having intervals based on current political disputes is not good, not good at all! It's pretty much agreed by all sides that politics has ruined Eurovision voting - and now they're trying to extend it to the songs AND the interval too?! Madness.

 

[DanielLuis]

Re: Sweden gives Eurovision a "refugee crisis theme"

I know, right ? When I learned the wedding was on the same day than ESC, I got super angry and wanted to jump by the window. But it's my cousin so I can't refuse I will have to turn down the internet on my phone and try to avoid the radio so when I'll be home after the party in the middle of the night, I won't have been spoiled (I really hope I won't be spoiled by anyone otherwise I'll murder someone !!!!!!).

That is so hard! Having something stopping me from watching the final of Eurovision is my worst imagineable nightmare And getting the winner spoiled even more so!
It will be hard enough already not to be able to watch one of the semis live

 

[anto475]

Re: Sweden gives Eurovision a "refugee crisis theme"

That is so hard! Having something stopping me from watching the final of Eurovision is my worst imagineable nightmare And getting the winner spoiled even more so!
It will be hard enough already not to be able to watch one of the semis live

[MENTION=5748]Quent91[/MENTION] I've suffered like you before too, the 2009 took place on the day of my cousin's confirmation in a country club far from my hometown, and more importantly my TV. so i found a quiet room and listened to the eurovision on the radio until it was time to go. it felt oddly retro, listening to the live performances and then hearing the radio commentator "describe" the staging. so yeah, get a radio app for your phone and fake a stomach illness when the final starts, hide in the toilet and stay there

 

[Luki]

I'm surprised this discussion hasn't come sooner... This year reminds me of 1990 and 1999 when there were "European unity" and "Bible" themes in the songs, well to an extent. And this year it is clear that some songs have a certain pattern for example Austria (Land far away searching for heaven), Croatia (Lighthouse), Denmark (Soldiers of Love), Greece (Utopian Land). Then we have anti-war songs like 1944, songs like Goodbye (Shelter), The Last of our Kind, Hear them Calling, Sing it Away and Walk on Water. I know this sounds super pretentious, but this is what I've been thinking about for the past week and I realised that the events of 2015 might've triggered some broadcasters to go with the flow, or maybe there was even a suggestion from SVT (I wouldn't be surprised by that, really).

 

[anto475]

I'm surprised this discussion hasn't come sooner... This year reminds me of 1990 and 1999 when there were "European unity" and "Bible" themes in the songs, well to an extent. And this year it is clear that some songs have a certain pattern for example Austria (Land far away searching for heaven), Croatia (Lighthouse), Denmark (Soldiers of Love), Greece (Utopian Land). Then we have anti-war songs like 1944, songs like Goodbye (Shelter), The Last of our Kind, Hear them Calling, Sing it Away and Walk on Water. I know this sounds super pretentious, but this is what I've been thinking about for the past week and I realised that the events of 2015 might've triggered some broadcasters to go with the flow, or maybe there was even a suggestion from SVT (I wouldn't be surprised by that, really).

Ahhh I don't think you can say that there's a theme in the songs this year. Loin D'Ici is just about finding an ideal land, just you and your beloved, it's hardly a reflection of the migrant crisis. Lighthouse is about devotion to your beloved no matter what and knowing that they'll always be there for you. Soliders of Love is ambiguous, I'll give you that, and Utopian Land is explicit in its content about Greece's problems in 2016, they've been open about that since the outset. 1944 isn't anti-war, it's just about the Crimean deportations. Goodbye (Shelter) is about finally ending it with an abusive lover, Hear Them Calling is just an attempt at sounding like Of Monsters And Men, Sing It Away is a self-empowerment song, and Walk On Water is just another power-schlager song about empowering yourself. I read a lot into the lyrics and the contexts too, really, but you can't say that there's a theme this year in that regard.

 

[Luki]

Ahhh I don't think you can say that there's a theme in the songs this year. Loin D'Ici is just about finding an ideal land, just you and your beloved, it's hardly a reflection of the migrant crisis. Lighthouse is about devotion to your beloved no matter what and knowing that they'll always be there for you. Soliders of Love is ambiguous, I'll give you that, and Utopian Land is explicit in its content about Greece's problems in 2016, they've been open about that since the outset. 1944 isn't anti-war, it's just about the Crimean deportations. Goodbye (Shelter) is about finally ending it with an abusive lover, Hear Them Calling is just an attempt at sounding like Of Monsters And Men, Sing It Away is a self-empowerment song, and Walk On Water is just another power-schlager song about empowering yourself. I read a lot into the lyrics and the contexts too, really, but you can't say that there's a theme this year in that regard.

Exactly, I know there's a problem with different interpretations... but at the same time some can have many other meanings. I wasn't being serious about it, it was just a thought.

 

[A-lister]

Seeing the comments in here I hope SVT re-thinks this decision (I know they won't, but one can still hope). Eurovision should be about bringing Europe together, lecturing the viewers and use a very hot sensitive topic that is already dividing all Europe and could be the beginning of the end of the European Union and also the start of potential WW3 with majority of Europeans don't even agree on SVT's stances is pure idiocricy on behalf of SVT. The word is free and people can disagree or agree on this issue all day long, but use ESC to create division and irritation?? Hardly a good thing...

 

[cegs5]

Seeing the comments in here I hope SVT re-thinks this decision (I know they won't, but one can still hope).

The loudest people against it are basically the same who don't care so much that political statements like LGBT rights and equal marriage were allowed and encouraged to be presented on stage, or carrying rainbow flags in the arena and booing Russians is totally OK, although it is still a controversial political topic in Europe and it also divides people's opinions...even in self-called "civilised" countries (i.e. Finland among others)

All what i see in this thread is hypocracy.

 

[A-lister]

The loudest people against it are basically the same who don't care so much that political statements like LGBT rights and equal marriage were allowed and encouraged to be presented on stage, or carrying rainbow flags in the arena and booing Russians is totally OK, although it is still a controversial political topic in Europe and it also divides people's opinions...even in self-called "civilised" countries (i.e. Finland among others)

All what i see in this thread is hypocracy.

Huh?? Anyone with a sense would oppose politicizing ESC regardless of where you stand on certain issues

 

[Chorizo]

The loudest people against it are basically the same who don't care so much that political statements like LGBT rights and equal marriage were allowed and encouraged to be presented on stage, or carrying rainbow flags in the arena and booing Russians is totally OK, although it is still a controversial political topic in Europe and it also divides people's opinions...even in self-called "civilised" countries (i.e. Finland among others)

All what i see in this thread is hypocracy.

How is promoting equality and demonstrating against war and discrimination the same as promoting an invasion of Europe that brought a large number of freeloading economic migrants, Muslim radicals and who knows how many terrorists to our continent? Where you see hypocrisy, I see common sense.

 

[cegs5]

How is promoting equality and demonstrating against war and discrimination the same as promoting an invasion of Europe that brought a large number of freeloading economic migrants, Muslim radicals and who knows how many terrorists to our continent? Where you see hypocrisy, I see common sense.

I don't see common sense in any of your posts.

 

[cegs5]

Huh?? Anyone with a sense would oppose politicizing ESC regardless of where you stand on certain issues

That's what I mean...we don't want politics in ESC but for some people it applies only when it's about something they disagree, that's hypocracy.

 

[Chorizo]

I don't see common sense in any of your posts.

If you're the kind of guy who jumped on the Welcome Refugee bandwagon, I'm not surprised at all.

 

[Chorizo]

That's what I mean...we don't want politics in ESC but for some people it applies only when it's about something they disagree, that's hypocracy.

There is nothing wrong with positive and sincere political messages, like the Hungarian peace song last year. It's not hypocrisy to think the Hungarian song was okay while the Russian song was not. You don't seem to be able to reflect on the background and to distinguish that there is in fact a difference.

There is nothing wrong with making statements against racism, sexism, homophobia and other forms of discrimination. There is, however, a big problem with promoting illegal immigration and a Muslim invasion. Someone who cannot see the difference must surely be blind.

 

[Anthony Tesla]

The more I think about the issue, and this is coming from a guy that is left of the center in general, this is not only potentially conflictive, but also tasteless.

I mean, a "refugee theme"? Just think: what if my wedding had a "refugee theme"? What if my graduation have had a "refugee theme"? I know it's not what was said, it was just meant to be featured, but it still sounds kind of tacky.

 

[musicfan]

This year reminds me of 1990 and 1999 when there were "European unity"

All this European unity stuff is very politically orientated anyway. We live in a global world now, not just Europe. On that basis we need to be aware of problems elsewhere but these problems need to be fixed at source. This is very difficult because people feel they have their own cultures and way of life and shouldn't be interfered with, but on the basis of us being one humanity that would logically have to change. Otherwise I don't see what the logic is in saying that we are all one, beyond some political motivation to get cheap labour somewhere or other factors.

 

[PashonFrut]

Inappropriate theme for Eurovision, but maybe they'll make something beautiful out of it and we will live happily ever after.

 

[Chorizo]

There's news about the planned refugee interval act:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3559095/Terror-alert-Stockholm-seven-eight-ISIS-militants-enter-Sweden-target-civilians-city.html

They might have the biggest pyro effects in the history of the contest this year.

 

[Guitarhero]

Well this is not surprising to me. I think all of the Swedish "Melodifestivalen" (our national selection for Eurovision) shows this year had a refugee crisis theme. Believe it or not but they even changed the National Anthem from "I want to live I want to die in the North" to "I want to live I want to die on the Earth" and added verses on Arabic and Hebrew to make it more including for immigrants.

 

[Stargazer]

Well this is not surprising to me. I think all of the Swedish "Melodifestivalen" (our national selection for Eurovision) shows this year had a refugee crisis theme. Believe it or not but they even changed the National Anthem from "I want to live I want to die in the North" to "I want to live I want to die on the Earth" and added verses on Arabic and Hebrew to make it more including for immigrants.

The Arabic and Hebrew bits were actually not from the national anthem, but two other traditional songs that they translated. I was completely fine with that. I was NOT fine with them changing the lyrics to the national anthem though, as it was so blatantly meant to be political and offensive to all those who value Swedish traditions and culture. That interval act could have been so good, honoring Sweden (and leaving our symbols alone) while also embracing these other cultures. But of course they had to ruin it. It left such a sour taste in my mouth.